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	<title>Comments on: Kindergarten Enrollment May Be Delayed For Many Children</title>
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		<title>By: hyip43</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-51960</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yolanda</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-30308</link>
		<dc:creator>Yolanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too, do NOT agree with this new law at all!!!  My daughter will turn 5 years old just 2 days after the cut off and I am told the only way to get her into Kindergarten for the 2009-2010 school year is for her to pass an assessment test that shows that she has strong reading and writing skills. Now, take another child whose birthday is on August 31, that child can start Kindergarten and does not have to read or write at all!  So, here you have two kids with birthdays just 2 days apart and one has to know how to read and write and the other doesn&#039;t just because he/she meets the deadline.  That just doesn&#039;t make sense to me at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too, do NOT agree with this new law at all!!!  My daughter will turn 5 years old just 2 days after the cut off and I am told the only way to get her into Kindergarten for the 2009-2010 school year is for her to pass an assessment test that shows that she has strong reading and writing skills. Now, take another child whose birthday is on August 31, that child can start Kindergarten and does not have to read or write at all!  So, here you have two kids with birthdays just 2 days apart and one has to know how to read and write and the other doesn&#8217;t just because he/she meets the deadline.  That just doesn&#8217;t make sense to me at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Renita</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-25493</link>
		<dc:creator>Renita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the cut off date should be Sept 1st - with 2nd - 7th with exception at the Principal descretion -this would be allowing for after the official holiday to begin classes. The Holdiay being usually the first Monday in September would not be over the 7th day at any given time. It use to be that school did not start until after Labor Day due to families taking their last vacation to end summer and summer employment for students that are eligible for summer jobs. The next official holiday is in October- to many days past for the child to enroll..no exceptions. Please consider suggestion and notify Newspapers. Hopefully, this will help alot of parents concerns of delaying their kindegarten. Humbly submitted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the cut off date should be Sept 1st &#8211; with 2nd &#8211; 7th with exception at the Principal descretion -this would be allowing for after the official holiday to begin classes. The Holdiay being usually the first Monday in September would not be over the 7th day at any given time. It use to be that school did not start until after Labor Day due to families taking their last vacation to end summer and summer employment for students that are eligible for summer jobs. The next official holiday is in October- to many days past for the child to enroll..no exceptions. Please consider suggestion and notify Newspapers. Hopefully, this will help alot of parents concerns of delaying their kindegarten. Humbly submitted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ts'ele Lehasa</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-25303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ts'ele Lehasa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a first year student at the University of the Free State doing education and educational psychology. Considering the cooperative world on which most parents are living such as going to work every morning and coming back home late I would support them to take their children to schools as early as they could. One other thing is the safety of the kindergarten; parents are sure their kids are busy with things that will help them achieve or acquire as time goes by which will probably enhance their abilities unlike leaving them at homes with just helpers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a first year student at the University of the Free State doing education and educational psychology. Considering the cooperative world on which most parents are living such as going to work every morning and coming back home late I would support them to take their children to schools as early as they could. One other thing is the safety of the kindergarten; parents are sure their kids are busy with things that will help them achieve or acquire as time goes by which will probably enhance their abilities unlike leaving them at homes with just helpers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-19858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also do not agree with the new change.  I think it should be up to the parents and perhaps some testing.  If a child is ready, they&#039;re ready - no matter their age.  My son will turn 5 on Sept. 15, 2009.  If he were to start this year, there would be no issue but because of the change, I have to look into other alternatives for meeting his needs.  It&#039;s unfortunate that their seems to be a lot of special options for those who struggle, but for those who are advanced, there are very few options other than leaving them behind to be bored.

My opinion is not based on finances or anything other than my son.  My husband and I both feel it is in his best interest to give him an early start.  I am a stay-at-home mom so it&#039;s not a matter of being able to afford daycare for him or whatever - he is ready and I&#039;m positive that a year from now, when we want to start him that he will be more than ready.  It&#039;s just sad that there aren&#039;t better alternatives to meet the needs of those who are ahead of the rest instead of pushing them to be with the rest just because their birthday may be a few weeks late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also do not agree with the new change.  I think it should be up to the parents and perhaps some testing.  If a child is ready, they&#8217;re ready &#8211; no matter their age.  My son will turn 5 on Sept. 15, 2009.  If he were to start this year, there would be no issue but because of the change, I have to look into other alternatives for meeting his needs.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that their seems to be a lot of special options for those who struggle, but for those who are advanced, there are very few options other than leaving them behind to be bored.</p>
<p>My opinion is not based on finances or anything other than my son.  My husband and I both feel it is in his best interest to give him an early start.  I am a stay-at-home mom so it&#8217;s not a matter of being able to afford daycare for him or whatever &#8211; he is ready and I&#8217;m positive that a year from now, when we want to start him that he will be more than ready.  It&#8217;s just sad that there aren&#8217;t better alternatives to meet the needs of those who are ahead of the rest instead of pushing them to be with the rest just because their birthday may be a few weeks late.</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-19387</link>
		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not even agree with this at all!!!! My daughter will turn 5 Sept.7 2009. Thats 1 wk. after the cut off date! This doesnt make sense. She is ready for kindergarten this year!!! She is very smart. I believe there should be exceptions to this rule !!! They should let the parents decide... My daughter wants to go to school and will have to wait now a whole year after her other cousins her age are in school. It isnt fair!!! Yes, some 4 yr. olds arent ready, but some are!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not even agree with this at all!!!! My daughter will turn 5 Sept.7 2009. Thats 1 wk. after the cut off date! This doesnt make sense. She is ready for kindergarten this year!!! She is very smart. I believe there should be exceptions to this rule !!! They should let the parents decide&#8230; My daughter wants to go to school and will have to wait now a whole year after her other cousins her age are in school. It isnt fair!!! Yes, some 4 yr. olds arent ready, but some are!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Khari's Mom</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-13415</link>
		<dc:creator>Khari's Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe that holding your child out for another year, that&#039;s on you. For those of us who know our child is ready to go to kindergarten, this is a mess.

The statistics alone that indicate older children in the class performing worse and/or opting to drop out in higher rates is enough to maintain my belief that this is a bad idea. My daughter will be 5 in mid-Sept. and will have to wait a full year to be the oldest kid in class? Then, the assessments used to determine early-admit are unavailable for parents to peruse beforehand and you are given no info on what your child was even assessed on... (I live in PG County, MD). 

This is not a good thing on any level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe that holding your child out for another year, that&#8217;s on you. For those of us who know our child is ready to go to kindergarten, this is a mess.</p>
<p>The statistics alone that indicate older children in the class performing worse and/or opting to drop out in higher rates is enough to maintain my belief that this is a bad idea. My daughter will be 5 in mid-Sept. and will have to wait a full year to be the oldest kid in class? Then, the assessments used to determine early-admit are unavailable for parents to peruse beforehand and you are given no info on what your child was even assessed on&#8230; (I live in PG County, MD). </p>
<p>This is not a good thing on any level.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-6073</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the date change. Initally for the first class there will be quite an impact as parents will have to adjust to paying for childcare for an additional year, but parents of children born late in the year will soon realize this and will naturally know their child cannot attend school until a certain age. The age is only changing by 6 weeks. A child is too young to go to school at 4 years old. As it is now,you can have one child in a class born say October 12 and another born in November of the previous year. These kids are classmates even though they are almost a year apart in age. A year is a huge gap in young children. This adjustment in age is going to develope classrooms of students more similar in social and academic skills, which will help teachers provide better education. There is also a stipulation in the new law that a principal can decide to admit a &quot;gifted&quot; child if they are 4 by April 16. I have two children with July birthdays and think it would have been great to have August as a cut off date.I have seen many of their friends with late birthdays hate being the last to do everything like grow and drive. Kids that clearly did not need to go to school were sent just because they were old enough. Parents are not always the best judge of when a child is&quot;ready&quot;. Being ready for school is more than being able to count and recite the abc&#039;s. I applaud my state for taking this important step for our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the date change. Initally for the first class there will be quite an impact as parents will have to adjust to paying for childcare for an additional year, but parents of children born late in the year will soon realize this and will naturally know their child cannot attend school until a certain age. The age is only changing by 6 weeks. A child is too young to go to school at 4 years old. As it is now,you can have one child in a class born say October 12 and another born in November of the previous year. These kids are classmates even though they are almost a year apart in age. A year is a huge gap in young children. This adjustment in age is going to develope classrooms of students more similar in social and academic skills, which will help teachers provide better education. There is also a stipulation in the new law that a principal can decide to admit a &#8220;gifted&#8221; child if they are 4 by April 16. I have two children with July birthdays and think it would have been great to have August as a cut off date.I have seen many of their friends with late birthdays hate being the last to do everything like grow and drive. Kids that clearly did not need to go to school were sent just because they were old enough. Parents are not always the best judge of when a child is&#8221;ready&#8221;. Being ready for school is more than being able to count and recite the abc&#8217;s. I applaud my state for taking this important step for our children.</p>
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		<title>By: Xrlq</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-5662</link>
		<dc:creator>Xrlq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent of a 3-year old who will almost certainly be factually but not legally ready for kindergarten in 2009, I&#039;ll freely admit to being too biased to render a fair judgment on the merits of the overall policy.  I can say, however, that fiscal savings arguments are phony.  Whatever the pedagogic merits of the new law may be, the most likely fiscal result is negligible savings between now and 2022, followed by significant negative savings from then on.

First, all policies designed to generate savings by squeezing a balloon should be inherently suspect.  No one is proposing denying a 12th year of education to anyone, so the notion that we are &quot;saving&quot; anything in the long run by sending 12.5% of the population to school one year later is ludicrous.  All we&#039;re doing is shifting the costs from one year to the next.  There may be good reasons for doing this, but fiscal savings is not among them.

Second, the fiscal note assumes that if the change in the eligibility date reduces the size of the 2009 entering kindergarten class by 15,360, it will continue to reduce the size of the group by the same number all the way through year 12.  Setting aside the inevitable fact that some kids will die, and many more will move to other states, the only way the difference can remain at 15,360 from K-12 is if the whole bit about reducing dropout rates was a lie.  To the extent the new policy really does reduce dropout rates, that means the 15,360 figure will get progressively smaller over the years, with each subsequent class being a bit larger than it otherwise would be (basically everyone who&#039;s there now, plus those who were dissuaded from dropping out).  Again, that may be a good thing from a pedagogical standpoint, but a money-saver it ain&#039;t.

Third, even if are to assume that the bill really will yield a one-time 12.5% reduction in each class from kindergarten in 2009-10 through 12th grade in 2021-22, that&#039;s not going to translate into 12.5% savings for any school&#039;s budget.  If a school district knew it could anticipate 12.5% fewer kindergarteners from 2009 into the foreseeable future, it could lay off 12.5% of its kindergarten teachers, close 12.5% of its schools, or whatever.  But if it knows it&#039;s only going to get the artificially small class for one year, it can&#039;t lay off 12.5% of the work force and expect them to be available for re-hire a year later.  The only way it can come close to realizing a 12.5% savings is to shuffle teachers around from one grade to the next, with the extra kindergarten teachers teaching grades 1-3 in 2009-10, extra first grade teachers teaching kindergarten and grades 2-3 in 2010-11, and so on.  More likely, we&#039;d just keep the schools and staff we have now, with one group having unusually small class size for a year, with big &quot;savings&quot; in ADA funny-money, but no measurable savings in actual dollars to the taxpayer or the state.

Fourth, the only clear and indisuptable effect of this law is to delay education (and therefore, gainful employment) to 12.5% of the population for one year.  That the same kids will start paying taxes one year later, and probably make less every year after that due to one less year of job experience.  This will impose a real cost to the state, and unlike this phony &quot;savings,&quot; it won&#039;t just apply to the one class beginning in 2009, but to every class that follows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent of a 3-year old who will almost certainly be factually but not legally ready for kindergarten in 2009, I&#8217;ll freely admit to being too biased to render a fair judgment on the merits of the overall policy.  I can say, however, that fiscal savings arguments are phony.  Whatever the pedagogic merits of the new law may be, the most likely fiscal result is negligible savings between now and 2022, followed by significant negative savings from then on.</p>
<p>First, all policies designed to generate savings by squeezing a balloon should be inherently suspect.  No one is proposing denying a 12th year of education to anyone, so the notion that we are &#8220;saving&#8221; anything in the long run by sending 12.5% of the population to school one year later is ludicrous.  All we&#8217;re doing is shifting the costs from one year to the next.  There may be good reasons for doing this, but fiscal savings is not among them.</p>
<p>Second, the fiscal note assumes that if the change in the eligibility date reduces the size of the 2009 entering kindergarten class by 15,360, it will continue to reduce the size of the group by the same number all the way through year 12.  Setting aside the inevitable fact that some kids will die, and many more will move to other states, the only way the difference can remain at 15,360 from K-12 is if the whole bit about reducing dropout rates was a lie.  To the extent the new policy really does reduce dropout rates, that means the 15,360 figure will get progressively smaller over the years, with each subsequent class being a bit larger than it otherwise would be (basically everyone who&#8217;s there now, plus those who were dissuaded from dropping out).  Again, that may be a good thing from a pedagogical standpoint, but a money-saver it ain&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Third, even if are to assume that the bill really will yield a one-time 12.5% reduction in each class from kindergarten in 2009-10 through 12th grade in 2021-22, that&#8217;s not going to translate into 12.5% savings for any school&#8217;s budget.  If a school district knew it could anticipate 12.5% fewer kindergarteners from 2009 into the foreseeable future, it could lay off 12.5% of its kindergarten teachers, close 12.5% of its schools, or whatever.  But if it knows it&#8217;s only going to get the artificially small class for one year, it can&#8217;t lay off 12.5% of the work force and expect them to be available for re-hire a year later.  The only way it can come close to realizing a 12.5% savings is to shuffle teachers around from one grade to the next, with the extra kindergarten teachers teaching grades 1-3 in 2009-10, extra first grade teachers teaching kindergarten and grades 2-3 in 2010-11, and so on.  More likely, we&#8217;d just keep the schools and staff we have now, with one group having unusually small class size for a year, with big &#8220;savings&#8221; in ADA funny-money, but no measurable savings in actual dollars to the taxpayer or the state.</p>
<p>Fourth, the only clear and indisuptable effect of this law is to delay education (and therefore, gainful employment) to 12.5% of the population for one year.  That the same kids will start paying taxes one year later, and probably make less every year after that due to one less year of job experience.  This will impose a real cost to the state, and unlike this phony &#8220;savings,&#8221; it won&#8217;t just apply to the one class beginning in 2009, but to every class that follows.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/05/29/kindergarten-enrollment-may-be-delayed-for-many-children/#comment-3166</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a preschool teacher, I agree with this cut off date.  Kindergarten isn&#039;t like it was 10 years ago.  It is more demanding and we are sending our 4 year olds off when they are still babies.  So what if the state saves money.  If the only reason parents are complaining is due to money then shame on you.  Parents want the teachers to take over their jobs of raising their children.  Parents, you are responsible for your own children.  Take that extra year to make play dates, put them in a preschool program, teach them at home.  It&#039;s not that hard.  I teach a pre-kindergarten class and I have children that come to me that can&#039;t even hold crayons, have no clue what the difference is between numbers and letters.  I find that very sad and disturbing as a teacher and a mom.  My nephew entered kindergarten 4 days befoe the Oct. deadline and he struggled every year, he failed his grade and had to take extra classes just so he could graduate with his original classmates.  He just wasn&#039;t ready but his mom wanted to save money.
Yes, some may be ready, but sitting out and learning at home isn&#039;t a bad option.  For those not ready, yes their situation is the same, and they still won&#039;t be ready, but at least they will have another year to mature emotionally.  Sending them too early when they aren&#039;t ready just sets them up for failure. Being one year older isn&#039;t setting them up for failure.  They will be with lots of other children in the same boat.  It&#039;s parents that don&#039;t take an active role in their children&#039;s education that sets children up for failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a preschool teacher, I agree with this cut off date.  Kindergarten isn&#8217;t like it was 10 years ago.  It is more demanding and we are sending our 4 year olds off when they are still babies.  So what if the state saves money.  If the only reason parents are complaining is due to money then shame on you.  Parents want the teachers to take over their jobs of raising their children.  Parents, you are responsible for your own children.  Take that extra year to make play dates, put them in a preschool program, teach them at home.  It&#8217;s not that hard.  I teach a pre-kindergarten class and I have children that come to me that can&#8217;t even hold crayons, have no clue what the difference is between numbers and letters.  I find that very sad and disturbing as a teacher and a mom.  My nephew entered kindergarten 4 days befoe the Oct. deadline and he struggled every year, he failed his grade and had to take extra classes just so he could graduate with his original classmates.  He just wasn&#8217;t ready but his mom wanted to save money.<br />
Yes, some may be ready, but sitting out and learning at home isn&#8217;t a bad option.  For those not ready, yes their situation is the same, and they still won&#8217;t be ready, but at least they will have another year to mature emotionally.  Sending them too early when they aren&#8217;t ready just sets them up for failure. Being one year older isn&#8217;t setting them up for failure.  They will be with lots of other children in the same boat.  It&#8217;s parents that don&#8217;t take an active role in their children&#8217;s education that sets children up for failure.</p>
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