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	<title>Comments on: NC Near Bottom in Infant Mortality</title>
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		<title>By: gregflynn</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2832</link>
		<dc:creator>gregflynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notwithstanding the fact that I asked about free-market solutions for reducing infant mortality and not broad health &amp; insurance issues I have the following responses to Max&#039;s comments:

1. I agree that BCBS is a monopoly but I see that as a product of the market, (having participated in more than one competing plan).  I have had insurance outside state lines.  It didn&#039;t help much and gave me less recourse when the plan abruptly folded.  The closest analogy that comes to mind is out-of-state sub-prime lenders holding loans originated in-state but now exempt from state remedies.

2. Agreed

3. Problematic:  I don&#039;t agree that HSAs are consumer-driven models.  I think they are driven by people who want to be closer to their cash than their health.  Even if I agreed with the premise I would agree with the &quot;Viagra&quot; observation, but not with the &quot;sniffles&quot;.  The &quot;working wounded&quot; are more a danger to other people (co-workers, family members, children&#039;s classmates and their families) than they are to themselves.   People should see a doctor, even a doc-in-the-box or nurse practitioner.  Some serious problems present initially as &quot;sniffles&quot; and should be intercepted early (especially for pre-natal women).

4. Couldn&#039;t disagree more. (See Max Borders above: &quot;why arenâ€™t you blaming Medicaid for not getting eligible people into the program?:&quot;)  Adding children to a pool from Medicaid may decrease average costs of individual premiums but will increase the cost of of family insurance, resulting in fewer children and adults insured.  (Also divorce rates, custody and parental issues make coverage and continuity complicated for many kids).

5. I would tend to agree but I do think drug companies should recoup their research investment.  I don&#039;t have a major problem with the 7 years but I do have a problem with the proliferation of delivery mechanisms that artificially extend patent protection beyond 7 years. (ie injected, snorted, inhaled, sublingual, skin patch etc.)

One important of increased infant mortality is the increase in premature births.  Technology can prolong life without necessarily improving it.  The same technology that reduces infant mortality may indeed be raising it simultaneously.  This is a separate discussion.

I think that the health of the mother is critical.  Most Western European countries have lower infant mortality rates than the US.  They must be doing something right that we can learn from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notwithstanding the fact that I asked about free-market solutions for reducing infant mortality and not broad health &amp; insurance issues I have the following responses to Max&#8217;s comments:</p>
<p>1. I agree that BCBS is a monopoly but I see that as a product of the market, (having participated in more than one competing plan).  I have had insurance outside state lines.  It didn&#8217;t help much and gave me less recourse when the plan abruptly folded.  The closest analogy that comes to mind is out-of-state sub-prime lenders holding loans originated in-state but now exempt from state remedies.</p>
<p>2. Agreed</p>
<p>3. Problematic:  I don&#8217;t agree that HSAs are consumer-driven models.  I think they are driven by people who want to be closer to their cash than their health.  Even if I agreed with the premise I would agree with the &#8220;Viagra&#8221; observation, but not with the &#8220;sniffles&#8221;.  The &#8220;working wounded&#8221; are more a danger to other people (co-workers, family members, children&#8217;s classmates and their families) than they are to themselves.   People should see a doctor, even a doc-in-the-box or nurse practitioner.  Some serious problems present initially as &#8220;sniffles&#8221; and should be intercepted early (especially for pre-natal women).</p>
<p>4. Couldn&#8217;t disagree more. (See Max Borders above: &#8220;why arenâ€™t you blaming Medicaid for not getting eligible people into the program?:&#8221;)  Adding children to a pool from Medicaid may decrease average costs of individual premiums but will increase the cost of of family insurance, resulting in fewer children and adults insured.  (Also divorce rates, custody and parental issues make coverage and continuity complicated for many kids).</p>
<p>5. I would tend to agree but I do think drug companies should recoup their research investment.  I don&#8217;t have a major problem with the 7 years but I do have a problem with the proliferation of delivery mechanisms that artificially extend patent protection beyond 7 years. (ie injected, snorted, inhaled, sublingual, skin patch etc.)</p>
<p>One important of increased infant mortality is the increase in premature births.  Technology can prolong life without necessarily improving it.  The same technology that reduces infant mortality may indeed be raising it simultaneously.  This is a separate discussion.</p>
<p>I think that the health of the mother is critical.  Most Western European countries have lower infant mortality rates than the US.  They must be doing something right that we can learn from.</p>
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		<title>By: sturner</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2829</link>
		<dc:creator>sturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the spirit!

Also, clarify your pharmaceutical patent ideas.  I have some ideas there myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the spirit!</p>
<p>Also, clarify your pharmaceutical patent ideas.  I have some ideas there myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2794</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;ve had a couple beers so am fully chilled. But still waiting on some substance here... (Hell, if I wanted comedy we&#039;d go read NCBlue. But I demand and expect top-notch thinking from Porkgressive Plus. You&#039;re the only lefties in the state we can respect, so please: don&#039;t let us down!) 

BTW, Steve, if it will help my traffic, I&#039;ll be more hyperbolic and ribticklin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;ve had a couple beers so am fully chilled. But still waiting on some substance here&#8230; (Hell, if I wanted comedy we&#8217;d go read NCBlue. But I demand and expect top-notch thinking from Porkgressive Plus. You&#8217;re the only lefties in the state we can respect, so please: don&#8217;t let us down!) </p>
<p>BTW, Steve, if it will help my traffic, I&#8217;ll be more hyperbolic and ribticklin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: sturner</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2783</link>
		<dc:creator>sturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez Max, chill.  I can see hyperbole is an underappreciated comedic form at redklayklavern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez Max, chill.  I can see hyperbole is an underappreciated comedic form at redklayklavern.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2780</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Greg. It&#039;s not enough simply to call someone a commie. Though in Jim&#039;s defense, he was simply responding to the ridiculous invisible hand trope/freemarket wheel metaphors from above that added nothing of substance to the debate, either. Use of such language suggest a profound lack of understand about how markets work. (So shame on them both.)

That said - and to your request, Greg - there are positive free-market measures that can be taken to improve access to and quality of care:

1. Let people buy health insurance in other states to kill the BCBS monopoly and let people choose the kinds of policies they want (rather than foisting them on people with costly mandates.)
2. Move away from employer-based insurance created by the taxcode, which distorts markets and limits competition.
3. Move to consumer-driven models like HSAs that discourage rich people from charging Viagra to the pool, and everyone from going to MDs for sniffles. (In short, mitigate the expense account effect.)
4. Stop expanding children&#039;s Medicaid which makes healthcare less affordable for everyone else, including the less affluent, lower middle class. Children are lower risk and cheap to insure, so removing them from the pool drives up premiums (which in turn causes people to self insure). 
5. Reduce the 7 year protectionism of generics via patents to 5 years to shorten the window for access to cheaper meds.

These are just a few. I&#039;ve got loads of &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Greg. It&#8217;s not enough simply to call someone a commie. Though in Jim&#8217;s defense, he was simply responding to the ridiculous invisible hand trope/freemarket wheel metaphors from above that added nothing of substance to the debate, either. Use of such language suggest a profound lack of understand about how markets work. (So shame on them both.)</p>
<p>That said &#8211; and to your request, Greg &#8211; there are positive free-market measures that can be taken to improve access to and quality of care:</p>
<p>1. Let people buy health insurance in other states to kill the BCBS monopoly and let people choose the kinds of policies they want (rather than foisting them on people with costly mandates.)<br />
2. Move away from employer-based insurance created by the taxcode, which distorts markets and limits competition.<br />
3. Move to consumer-driven models like HSAs that discourage rich people from charging Viagra to the pool, and everyone from going to MDs for sniffles. (In short, mitigate the expense account effect.)<br />
4. Stop expanding children&#8217;s Medicaid which makes healthcare less affordable for everyone else, including the less affluent, lower middle class. Children are lower risk and cheap to insure, so removing them from the pool drives up premiums (which in turn causes people to self insure).<br />
5. Reduce the 7 year protectionism of generics via patents to 5 years to shorten the window for access to cheaper meds.</p>
<p>These are just a few. I&#8217;ve got loads of &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: gregflynn</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2777</link>
		<dc:creator>gregflynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to keep fighting the cold war you might want to try a different venue.

If you have something constructive to contribute on the subject of reducing infant mortality and how the free-market could help then please do share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to keep fighting the cold war you might want to try a different venue.</p>
<p>If you have something constructive to contribute on the subject of reducing infant mortality and how the free-market could help then please do share.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2776</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition, if those infant mortality rates are coming from largely from the population that supposed to be served by Medicaid, why aren&#039;t you blaming Medicaid for not getting eligible people into the program?  And did you ever think that maybe there are other factors to infant mortality besides your pet theories about lack of socialized medicine (which are weak at their face)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition, if those infant mortality rates are coming from largely from the population that supposed to be served by Medicaid, why aren&#8217;t you blaming Medicaid for not getting eligible people into the program?  And did you ever think that maybe there are other factors to infant mortality besides your pet theories about lack of socialized medicine (which are weak at their face)?</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2775</link>
		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poor, minorty population you&#039;re so concerned about gets its healthcare courtesy of the government. So why are you blaming the private market, that serves now less than 50 percent of the us population?

http://redclaycitizen.typepad.com/redclay/2007/09/healthcare-half.html

Your churning out this mendacious narrative over and over again doesn&#039;t help improve healthcare. We need more freedom, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poor, minorty population you&#8217;re so concerned about gets its healthcare courtesy of the government. So why are you blaming the private market, that serves now less than 50 percent of the us population?</p>
<p><a href="http://redclaycitizen.typepad.com/redclay/2007/09/healthcare-half.html" rel="nofollow">http://redclaycitizen.typepad.com/redclay/2007/09/healthcare-half.html</a></p>
<p>Your churning out this mendacious narrative over and over again doesn&#8217;t help improve healthcare. We need more freedom, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Stegall</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2771</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Stegall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor is anyone advocting anarchy, or denying that government has a role in the economy.  The whole arguement is over what that role should be, and history has proven conclusively that a limited role is generally better.  Judging by your writings, you guys clearly disagree.  That&#039;s fine, but if you&#039;re going to write things like â€œChildren just fall under the chariot wheels of the free-marketeersâ€ and that they are &quot;Crushed under the oppressive weight of Adam Smithâ€™s invisible hand&quot; don&#039;t blame others for concluding that you&#039;re a little nuts. 

If you&#039;re going to write like a Soviet apparatchik you&#039;re going to be taken for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor is anyone advocting anarchy, or denying that government has a role in the economy.  The whole arguement is over what that role should be, and history has proven conclusively that a limited role is generally better.  Judging by your writings, you guys clearly disagree.  That&#8217;s fine, but if you&#8217;re going to write things like â€œChildren just fall under the chariot wheels of the free-marketeersâ€ and that they are &#8220;Crushed under the oppressive weight of Adam Smithâ€™s invisible hand&#8221; don&#8217;t blame others for concluding that you&#8217;re a little nuts. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to write like a Soviet apparatchik you&#8217;re going to be taken for one.</p>
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		<title>By: sturner</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2007/09/05/nc-near-bottom-in-infant-mortality/#comment-2766</link>
		<dc:creator>sturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Greg.  Nobody is advocating modeling our economic policy after &quot;Dear Leader.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Greg.  Nobody is advocating modeling our economic policy after &#8220;Dear Leader.&#8221;</p>
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