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	<title>Comments on: Bob Orrâ€™s Health Plan â€“ Bring Back the â€œDrive-Through Deliveryâ€</title>
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		<title>By: sturner</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6314</link>
		<dc:creator>sturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes!!  Make that multiculturalism.  At this rate, I may be able to find work on the Orr campaign or &quot;Governer&quot; McCrory&#039;s campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes!!  Make that multiculturalism.  At this rate, I may be able to find work on the Orr campaign or &#8220;Governer&#8221; McCrory&#8217;s campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: sturner</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6313</link>
		<dc:creator>sturner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Orr...
From the healthcare section on your website you state:

&quot;Reduce Coverage Mandates: North Carolina has 46 coverage mandates (government dictated policy benefits) resulting in 41% higher premiums and preventing you from choosing a basic plan.&quot;

I believe the &quot;41% higher premiums&quot; figure to be inaccurate and misleading.    Can you tell us how your campaign arrived at this figure and what resources were used?  (I have also sent this question to your campaign manager.)

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On a lighter note, your campaign staff may be able to find work on Jon Stewart&#039;s Daily Show or the Colbert Report.  You have this question from the UNC-TV debate on health care on your front-page:
                                           

&quot;Question- What is the answer to achieving health parody among all the races in our state?&quot;

I am not kidding.  Go here to see it:   http://www.orr2008.com/

Now, I know conservatives are dismissive of multiculturism...but it seems unusually cruel to discuss &quot;health parody&quot; rather than &quot;health parity&quot; on matters of race in North Carolina.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Orr&#8230;<br />
From the healthcare section on your website you state:</p>
<p>&#8220;Reduce Coverage Mandates: North Carolina has 46 coverage mandates (government dictated policy benefits) resulting in 41% higher premiums and preventing you from choosing a basic plan.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the &#8220;41% higher premiums&#8221; figure to be inaccurate and misleading.    Can you tell us how your campaign arrived at this figure and what resources were used?  (I have also sent this question to your campaign manager.)</p>
<p>                           &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>On a lighter note, your campaign staff may be able to find work on Jon Stewart&#8217;s Daily Show or the Colbert Report.  You have this question from the UNC-TV debate on health care on your front-page:</p>
<p>&#8220;Question- What is the answer to achieving health parody among all the races in our state?&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not kidding.  Go here to see it:   <a href="http://www.orr2008.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.orr2008.com/</a></p>
<p>Now, I know conservatives are dismissive of multiculturism&#8230;but it seems unusually cruel to discuss &#8220;health parody&#8221; rather than &#8220;health parity&#8221; on matters of race in North Carolina.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Coletti</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6209</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Coletti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You liberals/progressives/movement that must not be named folk&quot; complain about the lack of improved outcomes for the amount the US spends on health care, but outcomes didn&#039;t get worse for those in the RAND study you allude to either when they reduced the amount of care they got. Seems to suggest some of what you consider needed care might be just wasted care. 

On another note, whom would you consider a respected source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You liberals/progressives/movement that must not be named folk&#8221; complain about the lack of improved outcomes for the amount the US spends on health care, but outcomes didn&#8217;t get worse for those in the RAND study you allude to either when they reduced the amount of care they got. Seems to suggest some of what you consider needed care might be just wasted care. </p>
<p>On another note, whom would you consider a respected source?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Searing</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6204</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Searing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but what you conservatives want is for everyone to be their own doctor.  We know that jacking up out of pocket expenses means people reduce care - it&#039;s just that they reduce as much needed care as care they don&#039;t need.  We need to have more review of new technologies from a respected source so doctors don&#039;t recommend treatments that are of dubious - and expensive value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but what you conservatives want is for everyone to be their own doctor.  We know that jacking up out of pocket expenses means people reduce care &#8211; it&#8217;s just that they reduce as much needed care as care they don&#8217;t need.  We need to have more review of new technologies from a respected source so doctors don&#8217;t recommend treatments that are of dubious &#8211; and expensive value.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Coletti</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6201</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Coletti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I also commented on your Fred Smith post that third-party payment is a big part of the uncritical embrace of new technologies without weighing the costs and benefits. There have been clear quality improvements and cost reductions in areas where we pay out of pocket (eyes, teeth, plastic surgery), but not so much in areas where someone else pays most of the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I also commented on your Fred Smith post that third-party payment is a big part of the uncritical embrace of new technologies without weighing the costs and benefits. There have been clear quality improvements and cost reductions in areas where we pay out of pocket (eyes, teeth, plastic surgery), but not so much in areas where someone else pays most of the bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Searing</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6166</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Searing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 15:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob -

Your focus on the individual rather than the community means you totally miss the whole point of insurance.  

Sure, if I&#039;m 25 and in perfect health, I&#039;d prefer to have a health plan that covered very little and was thus much cheaper.  But insurance isn&#039;t just about me, it&#039;s about spreading risk among everyone so we can all afford coverage when we need it.  That 25 year old will get older and sicker - we all do unfortunately as I&#039;m finding out - and he&#039;ll need insurance that covers diagnostic tests and more comprehensive treatment.  If the 25 year olds are all paying very little for coverage, that means the older person&#039;s premiums will be through the roof and he&#039;ll never be able to afford a plan.

It&#039;s not basic requirements on insurance policies pricing people out of the market - it&#039;s our crazy system where overuse of unproven technology and drugs is driving costs through the roof. (see the McKinsey business report I reference above in my post on Fred Smith&#039;s plan) This is a problem we all need to come together and fix.  Otherwise, splitting up the insurance market as you suggest means throwing out the old folks with the bathwater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob -</p>
<p>Your focus on the individual rather than the community means you totally miss the whole point of insurance.  </p>
<p>Sure, if I&#8217;m 25 and in perfect health, I&#8217;d prefer to have a health plan that covered very little and was thus much cheaper.  But insurance isn&#8217;t just about me, it&#8217;s about spreading risk among everyone so we can all afford coverage when we need it.  That 25 year old will get older and sicker &#8211; we all do unfortunately as I&#8217;m finding out &#8211; and he&#8217;ll need insurance that covers diagnostic tests and more comprehensive treatment.  If the 25 year olds are all paying very little for coverage, that means the older person&#8217;s premiums will be through the roof and he&#8217;ll never be able to afford a plan.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not basic requirements on insurance policies pricing people out of the market &#8211; it&#8217;s our crazy system where overuse of unproven technology and drugs is driving costs through the roof. (see the McKinsey business report I reference above in my post on Fred Smith&#8217;s plan) This is a problem we all need to come together and fix.  Otherwise, splitting up the insurance market as you suggest means throwing out the old folks with the bathwater.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Orr</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6163</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Orr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, somehow you completely miss the point of my proposal.  It&#039;s not MY choice what mandates you or anyone else may desire and be willing to pay for.  What I propose is that all consumers of health insurance have options as to what mandates they would like for their health insurance policy for whatever reason ranging from I&#039;m single and don&#039;t need marital counseling to I&#039;d never go to a chiropractor to I just can&#039;t afford the full package.  The current system is pricing many people out of the insurance market, so I don&#039;t understand why eliminating choices and increasing competition for health insurance in NC is such a bad idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, somehow you completely miss the point of my proposal.  It&#8217;s not MY choice what mandates you or anyone else may desire and be willing to pay for.  What I propose is that all consumers of health insurance have options as to what mandates they would like for their health insurance policy for whatever reason ranging from I&#8217;m single and don&#8217;t need marital counseling to I&#8217;d never go to a chiropractor to I just can&#8217;t afford the full package.  The current system is pricing many people out of the insurance market, so I don&#8217;t understand why eliminating choices and increasing competition for health insurance in NC is such a bad idea.</p>
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		<title>By: The Progressive Pulse &#8211; Worst Person In The World*</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6160</link>
		<dc:creator>The Progressive Pulse &#8211; Worst Person In The World*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for specifics.Â  Borders responded to a straight-forward post from Adam which asked gubernatorial candidate Bob Orr which mandates he was willing to eliminate in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for specifics.Â  Borders responded to a straight-forward post from Adam which asked gubernatorial candidate Bob Orr which mandates he was willing to eliminate in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Searing</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2008/02/19/bob-orr%e2%80%99s-health-plan-%e2%80%93-bring-back-the-%e2%80%9cdrive-through-delivery%e2%80%9d/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Searing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Max - since I just posted this before noon, you must have had a busy lunch hour.  Might want to go by Quiznos, get yourself my favorite - a Baja Chicken sandwich and a Mtn. Dew - and calm down.  On second thought, hold the Mtn. Dew - too much caffeine.

Well, you found me out.  I do, as you say, &quot;hate freedom.&quot;  At least the freedom of insurance companies to sell us health policies that have so many limitations and restrictions that when we get sick they don&#039;t cover the care we need.  And yes, I, as you say, &quot;hate people&quot; too.  At least the people who are the executives and profiteers in our current health system and getting enormously wealthy by turning healthcare into just another big business where some folks get hurt, but that&#039;s just the market you know.

Now, about that sandwich!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Max &#8211; since I just posted this before noon, you must have had a busy lunch hour.  Might want to go by Quiznos, get yourself my favorite &#8211; a Baja Chicken sandwich and a Mtn. Dew &#8211; and calm down.  On second thought, hold the Mtn. Dew &#8211; too much caffeine.</p>
<p>Well, you found me out.  I do, as you say, &#8220;hate freedom.&#8221;  At least the freedom of insurance companies to sell us health policies that have so many limitations and restrictions that when we get sick they don&#8217;t cover the care we need.  And yes, I, as you say, &#8220;hate people&#8221; too.  At least the people who are the executives and profiteers in our current health system and getting enormously wealthy by turning healthcare into just another big business where some folks get hurt, but that&#8217;s just the market you know.</p>
<p>Now, about that sandwich!</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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