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	<title>Comments on: State Funded Org Joins Pharma on Public Option</title>
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		<title>By: gregflynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>gregflynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reasoned response of Mr Schutzman of Archstone Consulting is somewhat undermined by the rant of Mr Eckstut, who happens to be a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archstoneconsulting.com/about.aspx?id=2784&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Principal at Archstone Consulting&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with one statement, that &lt;em&gt;&quot;However you fund healthcare, from public funds or private funds, it costs money&quot;&lt;/em&gt;.  I believe that, under the current &quot;non-system&quot;, total healthcare costs are greater than they need to be, for a variety of reasons but none more significant than the more 40 million uninsured and countless others under-insured.  A plan that includes a public option will help intercept problems before they require expensive solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reasoned response of Mr Schutzman of Archstone Consulting is somewhat undermined by the rant of Mr Eckstut, who happens to be a <a href="http://www.archstoneconsulting.com/about.aspx?id=2784" rel="nofollow">Principal at Archstone Consulting</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with one statement, that <em>&#8220;However you fund healthcare, from public funds or private funds, it costs money&#8221;</em>.  I believe that, under the current &#8220;non-system&#8221;, total healthcare costs are greater than they need to be, for a variety of reasons but none more significant than the more 40 million uninsured and countless others under-insured.  A plan that includes a public option will help intercept problems before they require expensive solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: gregflynn</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-40435</link>
		<dc:creator>gregflynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biopharmaceuticals are a subset of biotechnology.  Let&#039;s not conflate the biotech with pharma.

I&#039;d also draw your attention to an exchange in the British Medical Journal 04/05: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/331/7522/958&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Response to:&lt;/em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Foreign free riders and the high price of US medicines&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Donald W Light and Joel Lexchin

&lt;blockquote&gt; It is the drug companies that make people think that their huge R&amp;D budgets are devoted to “innovation,” when most of it goes to developing or testing new molecules discovered by others. An example of such claims is found on the PhRMA website: “America&#039;s research-based biopharmaceutical companies are committed to continuing and expanding innovative research and developing new and better medicines and treatments.” Such statements create quite a different and misleading impression than can be supported by the facts we cite including our analysis which shows that the pharmaceutical industry devotes a net of about 1.3 cents per dollar of sales to basic research.

NIH basic research contributes much more to discovering valuable new drugs than Reilly and Smith indicate, because that research identifies the most promising biological targets. Without them, drug companies are like someone in the dark with a large ring of keys (the millions of molecules in their data banks) but unable to find the keyhole&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biopharmaceuticals are a subset of biotechnology.  Let&#8217;s not conflate the biotech with pharma.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also draw your attention to an exchange in the British Medical Journal 04/05: <a href="http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/331/7522/958" rel="nofollow"><em>Response to:</em> <strong>Foreign free riders and the high price of US medicines</strong></a> by Donald W Light and Joel Lexchin</p>
<blockquote><p> It is the drug companies that make people think that their huge R&amp;D budgets are devoted to “innovation,” when most of it goes to developing or testing new molecules discovered by others. An example of such claims is found on the PhRMA website: “America&#8217;s research-based biopharmaceutical companies are committed to continuing and expanding innovative research and developing new and better medicines and treatments.” Such statements create quite a different and misleading impression than can be supported by the facts we cite including our analysis which shows that the pharmaceutical industry devotes a net of about 1.3 cents per dollar of sales to basic research.</p>
<p>NIH basic research contributes much more to discovering valuable new drugs than Reilly and Smith indicate, because that research identifies the most promising biological targets. Without them, drug companies are like someone in the dark with a large ring of keys (the millions of molecules in their data banks) but unable to find the keyhole</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michael Eckstut</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-40056</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Eckstut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who are screaming that the problem is caused by for profit, private greed are either misinformed, don&#039;t understand how healthcare (or any other service works), have bought into the class warfare mantra that the Democrats are spewing or are willfully missing the point the point for their own reasons.

However you fund healthcare, from public funds or private funds, it costs money -- doctors, nurses, technicians, administrators need to be paid, buildings and equipment costs money, new treatments cost money, etc. Government funding just means that our tax dollars are used to pay for this but those same tax dollars could be used for other things -- roads, schools, bailing out automotive companies, etc. If you believe that providing universal health coverage is a good thing (and in the absolute moral sense it certainly is) and if you believe that at some point taxes cannot be raised any higher then you will be faced with two problems -- setting priorities among various government programs and ultimately rationing health care. It is simply impossible to have infinte health care -- for everyone, at anytime. It is time for people to understand that, understand the trade-offs that have to be made and live with the consequences. We as citizens seem to want everything but we are not willing to live with the consequences. All we seem to try to do is point the finger at someone who is the blame for this. It&#039;s not anyone&#039;s fault that we don&#039;t have infinite resources but it is our leader&#039;s fault that they aren&#039;t honest with us and tell us that. The public/private debate is essentially that the private sector is very explicit about this trade-off, certain conditions are not covered, some treatments are too high risk, etc, the government covers this by having poor quality service, lower quality products, long waiting lines, etc. (Have you talked to anyone who lives in Canada or the UK and needs say, a hip replacement -- how about a 1 year wait?) Finally, why all of a sudden is there a newfound confidence in the ability of the public sector to provide health care efficiently? Medicare and Social Security (neither tainted bu &quot;private greed&quot;) are certainly two examples of how poor government programs could be. I would much rather be able to select my own physician and my own hospital than have a massive (and expensive and in-efficient) bereaucracy run this thing.
So, stop the shouting and finger pointing and start thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who are screaming that the problem is caused by for profit, private greed are either misinformed, don&#8217;t understand how healthcare (or any other service works), have bought into the class warfare mantra that the Democrats are spewing or are willfully missing the point the point for their own reasons.</p>
<p>However you fund healthcare, from public funds or private funds, it costs money &#8212; doctors, nurses, technicians, administrators need to be paid, buildings and equipment costs money, new treatments cost money, etc. Government funding just means that our tax dollars are used to pay for this but those same tax dollars could be used for other things &#8212; roads, schools, bailing out automotive companies, etc. If you believe that providing universal health coverage is a good thing (and in the absolute moral sense it certainly is) and if you believe that at some point taxes cannot be raised any higher then you will be faced with two problems &#8212; setting priorities among various government programs and ultimately rationing health care. It is simply impossible to have infinte health care &#8212; for everyone, at anytime. It is time for people to understand that, understand the trade-offs that have to be made and live with the consequences. We as citizens seem to want everything but we are not willing to live with the consequences. All we seem to try to do is point the finger at someone who is the blame for this. It&#8217;s not anyone&#8217;s fault that we don&#8217;t have infinite resources but it is our leader&#8217;s fault that they aren&#8217;t honest with us and tell us that. The public/private debate is essentially that the private sector is very explicit about this trade-off, certain conditions are not covered, some treatments are too high risk, etc, the government covers this by having poor quality service, lower quality products, long waiting lines, etc. (Have you talked to anyone who lives in Canada or the UK and needs say, a hip replacement &#8212; how about a 1 year wait?) Finally, why all of a sudden is there a newfound confidence in the ability of the public sector to provide health care efficiently? Medicare and Social Security (neither tainted bu &#8220;private greed&#8221;) are certainly two examples of how poor government programs could be. I would much rather be able to select my own physician and my own hospital than have a massive (and expensive and in-efficient) bereaucracy run this thing.<br />
So, stop the shouting and finger pointing and start thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: David Schutzman</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-40048</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, you referenced Archstone Consulting conducting a campaign in your post and I wanted to clarify Archstone’s role. Archstone Consulting and Dr. Lawton R. Burns, Director, The Wharton Center for Health Management and Economics at The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, was commissioned by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to evaluate the impact of this research-intensive industry. The economic study, entitled The Biopharmaceutical Sector’s Impact on the U.S.Economy: Analysis at the National, State, and Local Levels, showed that the presence of biopharmaceutical companies, and the jobs they support, can make substantial contributions to state economies. Archstone Consulting delivered the findings at various state legislative venues. All of the data is available at http://www.archstoneconsulting.com/biopharma.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you referenced Archstone Consulting conducting a campaign in your post and I wanted to clarify Archstone’s role. Archstone Consulting and Dr. Lawton R. Burns, Director, The Wharton Center for Health Management and Economics at The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, was commissioned by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to evaluate the impact of this research-intensive industry. The economic study, entitled The Biopharmaceutical Sector’s Impact on the U.S.Economy: Analysis at the National, State, and Local Levels, showed that the presence of biopharmaceutical companies, and the jobs they support, can make substantial contributions to state economies. Archstone Consulting delivered the findings at various state legislative venues. All of the data is available at <a href="http://www.archstoneconsulting.com/biopharma.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.archstoneconsulting.com/biopharma.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Schutzman</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-40047</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schutzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, you referenced Archstone Consulting conducting a campaign in your post and I wanted to clarify Archstone&#039;s role. Archstone Consulting and Dr. Lawton R. Burns, Director, The Wharton Center for Health Management and Economics at The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, was commissioned by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to evaluate the impact of this research-intensive industry. The economic study, entitled The Biopharmaceutical Sector’s Impact on the U.S.Economy: Analysis at the National, State, and Local Levels, showed that the presence of biopharmaceutical companies, and the jobs they support, can make substantial contributions to state economies.  Archstone Consulting delivered the findings at various state legislative venues.  All of the data is available venueshttp://www.archstoneconsulting.com/biopharma.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, you referenced Archstone Consulting conducting a campaign in your post and I wanted to clarify Archstone&#8217;s role. Archstone Consulting and Dr. Lawton R. Burns, Director, The Wharton Center for Health Management and Economics at The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, was commissioned by the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) to evaluate the impact of this research-intensive industry. The economic study, entitled The Biopharmaceutical Sector’s Impact on the U.S.Economy: Analysis at the National, State, and Local Levels, showed that the presence of biopharmaceutical companies, and the jobs they support, can make substantial contributions to state economies.  Archstone Consulting delivered the findings at various state legislative venues.  All of the data is available venueshttp://www.archstoneconsulting.com/biopharma.aspx</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-39539</link>
		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just really don&#039;t understand why so many are fighting Health Reform.  Common sense tells me that they are fighting it because they are greedy, afraid of change, and every other illogical reason I can think of but it still doesn&#039;t answer the question.  Reforming our health care system will ultimately improve the health of every citizen thereby enabling them to work and pay taxes and purchase products and services.  Reforming health care with an actual plan that provides insurance that everyone can afford and access without breaking their finances that also makes it illegal to discriminate in any way against people that have chronic conditions will have such a broad reaching affect that will help improve our society as a whole.  When the majority, that is over 50%, of our country is demanding that we have health care reform to include a public option that gaurantees access to care regardless of income or medical condition along with stopping private ins. plans from discriminating against those with chronic conditions, well, the government needs to listen to that majority and make it happen.  Every poll that I have seen shows that we have more than a minor majority that has made this demand.  We need to stop the greed, stop the discrimination, and stop the for profit system from denying health care and making health care unaffordable.  Being 37th on the W.H.O. list is not a good thing and the only way we will improve that rating is to pass Health Care Reform.  The only way we will save 18k people per year that are currently dying due to &quot;complications from lack of health insurance&quot; is to pass Health Care Reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just really don&#8217;t understand why so many are fighting Health Reform.  Common sense tells me that they are fighting it because they are greedy, afraid of change, and every other illogical reason I can think of but it still doesn&#8217;t answer the question.  Reforming our health care system will ultimately improve the health of every citizen thereby enabling them to work and pay taxes and purchase products and services.  Reforming health care with an actual plan that provides insurance that everyone can afford and access without breaking their finances that also makes it illegal to discriminate in any way against people that have chronic conditions will have such a broad reaching affect that will help improve our society as a whole.  When the majority, that is over 50%, of our country is demanding that we have health care reform to include a public option that gaurantees access to care regardless of income or medical condition along with stopping private ins. plans from discriminating against those with chronic conditions, well, the government needs to listen to that majority and make it happen.  Every poll that I have seen shows that we have more than a minor majority that has made this demand.  We need to stop the greed, stop the discrimination, and stop the for profit system from denying health care and making health care unaffordable.  Being 37th on the W.H.O. list is not a good thing and the only way we will improve that rating is to pass Health Care Reform.  The only way we will save 18k people per year that are currently dying due to &#8220;complications from lack of health insurance&#8221; is to pass Health Care Reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Flynn</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-39502</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Flynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NC BioTech has a broad range of &lt;a href=&quot;http://ncbiotech.org/about_us/board_of_directors/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;directors&lt;/a&gt;. Interestingly, one of them is Ernest Mario, a colleague of Fred Eshelman and a contributor to Eshelman&#039;s 527 RightChange that dropped some millions attacking Obama. Both men have Schools of Pharmacy named after them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NC BioTech has a broad range of <a href="http://ncbiotech.org/about_us/board_of_directors/index.html" rel="nofollow">directors</a>. Interestingly, one of them is Ernest Mario, a colleague of Fred Eshelman and a contributor to Eshelman&#8217;s 527 RightChange that dropped some millions attacking Obama. Both men have Schools of Pharmacy named after them.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamL</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-39489</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting -- well, the Biotech Center is used to throwing money down the drain. 

http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/25/story1.html

Harold Martin is also on the Blue Cross board. He&#039;s now the chancellor of NC A&amp;T -- also state funded, by the way.

Charlie Sanders is now chair of the board at UNC Health Care.

And Ken Lee is with Hatteras Venture Partners, which was started by UNC Chancellor Holden Thorpe and his brother with Golden Leaf money that they have basically wasted. 

What a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8212; well, the Biotech Center is used to throwing money down the drain. </p>
<p><a href="http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/25/story1.html" rel="nofollow">http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/06/25/story1.html</a></p>
<p>Harold Martin is also on the Blue Cross board. He&#8217;s now the chancellor of NC A&amp;T &#8212; also state funded, by the way.</p>
<p>Charlie Sanders is now chair of the board at UNC Health Care.</p>
<p>And Ken Lee is with Hatteras Venture Partners, which was started by UNC Chancellor Holden Thorpe and his brother with Golden Leaf money that they have basically wasted. </p>
<p>What a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Lou Meyers</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-39485</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou Meyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News flash to Big Medicine!-------stop fighting it. Those of us that actually pay the bills no longer trust your judgment or sincerity. A public option IS THE COMPROMISE!. Then when that falls apart after a couple of years, you&#039;ll be the one begging for single payer, just so you&#039;ll get paid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News flash to Big Medicine!&#8212;&#8212;-stop fighting it. Those of us that actually pay the bills no longer trust your judgment or sincerity. A public option IS THE COMPROMISE!. Then when that falls apart after a couple of years, you&#8217;ll be the one begging for single payer, just so you&#8217;ll get paid!</p>
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		<title>By: Louie</title>
		<link>http://pulse.ncpolicywatch.org/2009/07/09/state-funded-org-joins-pharma-on-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-39483</link>
		<dc:creator>Louie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wondered what Jim Fain has been u p to since he left Commerce.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered what Jim Fain has been u p to since he left Commerce.</p>
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