Obamacare cannot cover everyone, allow your healthcare to remain exactly the same if you want it (this is a cleaver use of wording but is nothing more than an outright lie*), avoid rationing, and lower healthcare cost all at the same time. It can’t. This is utopian and based on ideology, not reality.

*Obama keeps saying you can keep your current coverage if you want to. What the bill says, is that you can keep it for up to 5 years, and, if after that point, your policy is completely unchanged – not even adjusting for inflation – then you can keep it. So in 5 years, if you have the exact same policy, same deductibles, and you and your insurer have not made any changes to the policy whatsoever, you can keep it. That will mean no one gets to keep their coverage for more than 5 years because that is not a sustainable business model. Everyone will then be on The Leader’s plan.

The real losers (the ones “loosing,” as you say) are the Republican voters who believe that their Republican representatives care about them and about family values (whatever the hell that means) and smaller government (ha!) and aren’t just pawns for big business who can turn whatever issue they get paid to care about into a heated moral issue, chopped up and processed to please the palate of the uneducated southern whites.

In response to some of the free-marketeers, the problem I have with Libertarians is that while the economy is amoral, there are people at the helm of every business and morals (or lack thereof) come into play whether or not they should. It’s kind of like those bumper stickers that say “Guns don’t kill people, PEOPLE kill people.” Those stickers should read “People kill people much more easily with guns.” Money, like guns, may not be prejudiced, but money does not erase prejudice or cronyism or nepotism or anything else that prevents the best person from having that job or getting that contract, etc. That’s where the law comes in; that’s where government comes in; that’s where the intervention is needed.

At least I suspect that’s what IBXer is trying to articulate.

I am Authoritarian because I want the government to stay out of my every waking moment? Yet you are anti-authority because you think government should control every aspect of your, and everyone elses, life? Seriously? Are you even reading and/or thinking about what you are saying?

Rob, it is utopian to claim that you can give everyone everything they want and they won’t have to pay anything for it. It is a lie. People are seeing through it and that is why the democrats are loosing this argument.

The only way Obamacare becomes law now is if they strong arm it onto the American people in defiance of our will. That will be the end of your party. The leadership knows this now but will keep up the talking points so they don’t offend their base. they know the fight is lost, though.

Just like you.

The economic model they ascribed to had no impact on bossing people around.

As a Capitalist Libertarian, I assure you that the Nazi’s had both wrong. You being half right, just makes you scream louder but still makes you half Authoritarian idiot.

Rob, the Nazis were socialists. Socialists always think that they are doing what is right by forcing their utopian ideals upon everyone else. The Nazis believed that and so do modern day socialists.

More than a few of the protesters, including the irrespressable Dallas Woodhouse, appear clinically obese, making them targets for potential policy cancellation under the current system.

“Keep your government hands off my Medicare” pretty much sums up the rational capabilities of the protesters.