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Talking Turkey

Post on November 25, 2009 by 5 Comments »

Turkey DinnerSince I got around to reading the Sunday Times – on Tuesday – I’ve been contemplating the opinion piece “Animal, Vegetable, Miserable“. I confess that I’ve been struggling with the whole eating meat/vegetarianism/veganism question for awhile now. The struggle has been, I further confess, entirely intellectual, even conducted at times while I ate Five Guys, somewhat dampening the pleasure I took in my cheeseburgers. (Geez, Catholic much?) Steiner’s opinion, best read in its entirety rather than the ham-handedly edited N&O version, is that ethical people must go vegan.

I’m troubled by the treatment of animals in our society, particularly those raised for food. I’m convinced that if you think eating meat is bad, you should go strictly vegan. Vegetarianism is just partaking of animal products, probably cruelly produced, but turning your nose up at one part. It has to be no meat, no eggs, no dairy, no leather. I have no patience for half-assed vegans who wear leather [Note to self: 1) Encourage the widespread adoption of veganism. 2) Open leather goods consignment shop next to Five Guys. 3) Take first pick of handbags and size 8 women's shoes.]. Where was I? Ultimately, the turkey’s is in the fridge for tomorrow because I remain unconvinced. Steiner sets up two straw men in his argument:

Some suggest that human beings but not animals are made in God’s image and hence stand in much closer proximity to the divine than any non-human animal; according to this line of thought, animals were made expressly for the sake of humans and may be used without scruple to satisfy their needs and desires. …

Others argue that the human capacity for abstract thought makes us capable of suffering that both qualitatively and quantitatively exceeds the suffering of any non-human animal.”

He goes on somewhat convincingly to dispute the validity of the animals-are-less-than-human reasoning, but he never comes close to where I get hung up – and by ‘hung up’ I mean where I find the rationale for my continued meat eating and its concomitant hand wringing. (The hand wringing is also intellectual, by the way, it’s proved beyond me to actually wring my hands and eat at the same time.) We are animals. We humans are omnivorous animals. We eat the animals and plants that are too slow to get away from us. It helps when they’re penned in those hideous CAFO lots, which is horrible, but the fact remains that we’ve evolved eating animal products. Now, sure, we have evolved to the point where we can choose not to partake of anything that was produced by or was itself a sentient being, but are we morally required to make that choice? If we don’t believe in God particularly, and aren’t hung up on who’s made in whose image, we can just look at the situation as a food chain. Do we blame a lion for eating gazelles or do we accept that the lion is being a lion? We can, and should (no more Five Guys, I swear! Damn them and their delicious greasy burgers!) do everything we can to achieve cruelty free, not to mention sustainable, food production. But I don’t believe that veganism is the answer. Do you?

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  1. Rob B
    November 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Yes, I do.

    Eating meat is not fundamentally wrong, but eating it when you don’t need to (guess what– we don’t need to!) and funding factory farms in the process (have you seen “Meet Your Meat”?) are fundamentally wrong. There’s a reason people avoid watching live chicks being dumped into a grinder, or live cattle hanging by one leg and gutted alive– these are immoral acts. The problem is that in this country, we pass the buck around and acknowledge that it is unpleasant, but that’s just how it is, and one’s abstaining from meat isn’t going to change much anyway. This is laziness, and it is unacceptable. Factory farms are a relatively new thing, so we know that that does not have to be “how it is”. Where to start? We can start by voting with our dollars.

    Meat is delicious, it’s true, but that is irrelevant. Have some self-discipline, shut up with the excuses (humans are different and have dominion over animals, therefore we can eat them no matter what; humans are just animals and lions eat zebras, therefore we can eat meat whenever the hell we want), and get on with actually “feeling bad” instead of just saying you do. There are things more important than your cravings for meat in this world, including the fate of billions and billions of sentient creatures. The consumerist tactics do work: even Wal-Mart has started “going green” in response to consumer demand.

  2. Rob B
    November 25, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Here’s something a little more lighthearted:

    http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6640/omnivorebingo.jpg

  3. old social worker
    November 25, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Thanks, Andrea. I too get all Hamlet-y about eating meat. Then I crave it, cook it, eat it and feel all fortified and comforted.

    I tried vegetarianism for a time twenty years ago, but earnest and humorless fit me like an ugly pair of jeans and off to Fuddruckers I went.

    For now, I’ve adopted the Jeffersonian view that meat should be consumed as a condiment. Focusing on nutrition and moderation has done wonders for my conscience (and my waistline!), though I doubt that would satisfy the grim greenies who avoid the bloodier areas of the grocery store.

  4. Khaetlyn
    December 3, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    “Do we blame a lion for eating gazelles or do we accept that the lion is being a lion? We can, and should do everything we can to achieve cruelty free, not to mention sustainable, food production. But I don’t believe that veganism is the answer. Do you?”

    Yes, I do think veganism is the answer.

    I sincerily hope you do not base your ethics on what another does out of survival. Yes, a lion does eat gazelles, but only to survive, while the vast majority of us, humans, have other options for feeding and clothing ourselves. While these options are available, it is my obligation to make sure I cause the least amount of harm as possible. This means veganism.

    As for “cruelty-free, sustainable food production” I assume you mean any one of “organic” or “free-range” or “humane” products. These do nothing to make progress for animals, and Gary L. Francione does a great critique of it here: http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/the-four-problems-of-animal-welfare-in-a-nutshell/

    Essentially, “humane” slaughter is still slaughter.

    Even if the moral reasons for abstaining from these “humane” animal products didn’t exist, it isn’t sustainable.

    Factory farms came around to keep up with the rising demand for meat and dairy. If we try to feed everybody with the same amount of animal products that they eat now only “humane” ones, it cannot sustain itself. Like Chris Hannah said on one VFF podcast episode “If [free-range] isn’t for everybody, it’s elite, and if it is for everybody, it’s ecocide.”

    Before this gets too long, I’m going to give a last word of advice:
    Get over Five Guys and go vegan.