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IBXer 16 Dec 2009 4:00 pm

She is an enemy of freedom, the Constitution, and the people of North Carolina who polls show oppose government run healthcare and any additional spending in healthcare by huge margins.

James 16 Dec 2009 4:06 pm

What planet are you living on?

polls show oppose government run healthcare and any additional spending in healthcare by huge margins.

Unless of course you mean polls by the Puppetshow, which always show everyone hates anything the government does, by design.

Cyndi 16 Dec 2009 4:27 pm

Primal SCREEEEAAAAMMMMM.

IBXer 16 Dec 2009 4:30 pm

http://www.uschambermagazine.com/article/voters-oppose-health-care-reform-legislation

“Seventy-five percent (75%) say it is likely that taxes for the middle class will increase to cover the cost of health care reform. Sixty-four percent (64%) believe the health care legislation proposed by the president and congressional Democrats will increase the deficit.

Most North Carolina voters (51%) believe the quality of health care will worsen if the health care plan is passed, while just 27% think quality will get better.”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_senate_elections/north_carolina/election_2010_north_carolina_senate

https://www.uschamber.com/assets/uscc/healthcare_toplines.pdf

“In the poll, 53% opposed it and 44% favored it. But it found a wider margin against the bill among those who feel strongly about the issue — 46% strongly opposed and just 30% strongly favored.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-10711-Raleigh-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m11d22-Senator-Burr-calls-health-care-reform-bill-a-turkey

Jeff 16 Dec 2009 5:56 pm

IBXer, don’t use logic and hard facts with this debate. It takes away from the feel good vibes that we all want and need right now in this very trying time.

Adam Linker 16 Dec 2009 6:26 pm

Polls also support a public option by a wide margin and taxing the rich. IBXer obviously agrees, since he thinks we should blindly follow polls.

Also, when you actually describe what’s in the reform legislation people support the bill.

Adam Searing 16 Dec 2009 7:20 pm

Latest respected nonpartisan Elon University Poll of North Carolinians on this topic:

“Three out of every four North Carolina residents believe the current health care system in the United States is in need of reform, according to the latest Elon University Poll, and 54 percent of residents support health insurance legislation that would include a public option.”

http://www.elon.edu/e-web/elonpoll/110209.xhtml

Lou Meyers 16 Dec 2009 11:39 pm

This bill is an unequivocal sell out to the insurance companies! To hell with the insurance companies! President Obama needs to step up, right about—————now!

Break bad, kick ass, anything — we’ll look the other way. The lock step Republicans along with Joe “H1N1 in a suit” Leiberman are making the Democrats look like a bunch of incoherent pansies. Close ranks — then force Leiberman to go down in infamy (now he’s just a footnote that could easily be mistaken for a squished mucous muffin stuck to the page.) Implement reconciliation — according to Howard Dean, no new program would have to be created. Just expand Medicare! (pre-existing conditions, gender discriminations etc. wouldn’t need to be addressed, as they are schemes exclusive to insurance companies). Too drastic? Drastic times require drastic measures! Bailouts for banks and Wall Street — remember those? It — is –time– to — kick–some –serious — booty for the American People!

Yes we can and yes we did– now it’s your turn, Mr. President!

IBXer 17 Dec 2009 8:52 am

Adam, it all depends on how you ask the question.

Vanity Fair asked in a recent poll if you could explain what “the public option is to someone who didn’t know?” and only 26% of Americans said they could. It also found that 66% of Americans do not know what a public option is.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/12/most_americans_dont_understand.html

Time and time again, if you ask someone do they want the government to create a program to compete with insurance companies, they support it. HOWEVER, if you ask if they would support using taxpayer money to create such a program or if such a program could affect their personal private insurance, support for the public option drops well below 1/3 of the public.

The only reason it appears people support your ideology is because you don’t bother to explain to them what it means. You people prey on ignorance and your ideology dies without it.

Lou Meyers 17 Dec 2009 9:24 am

That’s the problem — Medicare For All — was never allowed into the discussion by the powers that be (i.e. mainstream media, Big Health, a corrupt congress—you name it).

Why do you think that is, IBXer?

Jeff 17 Dec 2009 11:52 am

Do I need to cut and paste the Constitution again? No where does the Constitution give authority to the federal government to force the American people to purchase a good or service. This whole messed up issue has been caused by illadvised moves on the part of governments, state and federal to control a service that should be left to unfettered providers and their clients to decide the; what, where and the why,.

IBXer 18 Dec 2009 8:58 am

Lou, that is because the reason we started this whole debate was because Medicare and Medicade are both unsustainable. Expanding them from only covering a small percentage of the population to covering everyone would in no way make the situation better. It would compound the problem many fold.

Only a fool would suggest we should pay more for something we already cannot afford.

Lou Meyers 18 Dec 2009 9:09 am

Everyone under 65 should be ALLOWED to buy into Medicare. If you want to keep your present insurance — do so at your own peril.

No constitutional conflict here———-seems though, I still can’t find in the Constitution where our government should provide fire protection. Take it, Jeff, that if your house catches fire, you’ll check with the Constitution first before calling your government owned fire station, your government owned fire department and your government employed firemen. —- Emergency 911 services? Go ahead and call brother —- no lectures from us, we’ll be too busy working overtime struggling to cover those rip off premiums and praying we don’t get sick!

Lou Meyers 18 Dec 2009 3:50 pm

IBXer, bringing in the young and healthy would SAVE Medicare and this country for that matter.

The last 5 years of life is what’s stressing that system —– so let’s fix it. Aren’t Republicans all about protecting Medicare?

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