More on allegation that NCAE is “arm of Democratic Party”

One of the most interesting and ironic charges leveled by House Speaker Thom Tillis and the other defenders of the secret legislative session the other morning is the assertion that the NC Association of Educators is “an arm of the Democratic Party.”

But, of course, as NCAE Government Relations manager Brian Lewis noted the other day, the express purpose  of the bill targeting NCAE (according to Tillis himself) was to punish them for going after Democratic legislators who voted to cut public education.

As Greg Flynn notes in the comments in a post below, there are tons of examples in which NCAE has bestowed contributions on Republicans.

Here are his most recent comments:

In 2008 the NCAE PAC gave money to Dale Folwell, Robert Grady, the Republican House Majority Committee, and the Committee to Elect Republican Women to name a few spotted at first glance.

Here’s more:
Fletcher Hartsell
Jerry Tillman
Larry Brown
Kenny Furr
Laura Wiley
Karen Ray
Larry Hale
Shirley Blackburn Randleman
Harry Brown
Bonner Stiller
Mitchell Setzer
Sidney M Sandy
Jean Preston
Pat B Hurley
Linda P Johnson
Richard Stevens

If NCAE is “an arm of the Democratic Party,” they sure seem to enjoy hitting themselves in the face.




  1. Disinterested observer

    January 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm

    A tiny amount of contributions to a few GOP legislators doesn’t erase the fact that the NCAE donates overwhelmingly to Democrats.

  2. david esmay

    January 6, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    If the Republicans weren’t trying to destroy NC’s public school system, maybe they would get more support from the NCAE. Why support those who would destroy your life’s work?

  3. Disinterested observer

    January 7, 2012 at 2:26 am

    Let’s flip that statement:
    If the NCAE wasn’t primarily associated with the Democratic party, maybe their membership would increase beyond a paltry 1/3 of teachers. Why support those who openly oppose your core beliefs?

  4. gregflynn

    January 7, 2012 at 10:07 am

    Republicans represent less than “a paltry 1/3” of registered voters.

  5. Disinterested observer

    January 7, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    And yet we never equate “attacks on Republicans” with “attacks on the entire population” like the NC Left has with the NCAE and teachers…

    Let’s be real:

    The NCAE spent millions helping to elect Bev Perdue, when Pat McCrory is exactly the kind of Republican who should draw their support. In 2010, the vast majority of their cash went to Democrats, even though Democrats had just slashed the education budget. Unlike SEANC, they have refused to work with the new General Assembly majority. The NCAE was remarkably silent about the Governor’s budget proposal, which had cuts roughly comparable what the NCGA eventually passed.

    I’m not here to defend the General Assembly’s actions last week. For all my disdain of the NCAE, I simply believe the state shouldn’t serve as a conduit for ANY organization’s funding. And if any veto was overridden in this manner, it should have been the Energy Jobs Act, Voter ID, the RJA, or something else useful.

    But the NCAE brought this on themselves through a political strategy that placed all of its eggs on the assumption that Democrats would always be in control, and after 2010 that our incredibly weak Governor could protect them. They purposefully pissed off legislative leadership, and their blatant partisanship backfired.

  6. gregflynn

    January 7, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    There’s your straw-man right there:

    And yet we never equate “attacks on Republicans” with “attacks on the entire population” like the NC Left has with the NCAE and teachers…

    Don’t sound much like a “Disinterested observer”

  7. Disinterested observer

    January 7, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Not a strawman at all. I’ve heard the Governor, the left-leaning blogs, and Democrats in the General Assembly all make claims equating the NCAE with teachers, despite the fact that the NCAE doesn’t represent all teachers, or even a majority of them.

    You didn’t address the substance of my comments. Unlike SEANC, the NCAE isn’t willing to play ball with both sides of the aisle. When you act like a wing of a political party, don’t be surprised when you’re treated like one.

  8. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Rob, you never tell the entire story. It is always to make your side look like they own the truth. You and they do not.The numbers for 2010 are not good in terms of support by the NCAE for the Republican Party
    Here are my questions?
    How much did the NCAE give the Democrat Party in 2010? How much did they give the Republican Party?
    How much money did the NCAE use for Democrats for promotion like the Americans for Prosperity did for some Republicans?You have attacked Pope and other for this kind of advertising. Is this wrong for the NCAE? I know you are going to attack the NCAE for this knid of activity.
    Finally, did Perdue and Hackney do the exact same thing for the lottery?

  9. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Recheck your number on the NC Board of Elections Greg That has changed.

  10. HunterC

    January 7, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Frances, here is an answer to your wildly ignorant final question.

    Perdue and Hackney did nothing like this for the lottery because of multiple facts.

    1) Jim Black was Speaker when the lottery passed – meaning he controlled the floor schedule, not Hackney.

    2) Perdue was just Lt Gov when the lottery passed, not Senate President Pro Tempore – meaning she did not control the floor schedule.

    3) The lottery was not a vetoed bill.

  11. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    I afraid you are wrong on this my friend, different body of government but same activity. Research this and see, maybe you will come to the truth.

  12. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    I love to make eggheads feel smarter that God.

  13. No Alcoa

    January 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    Alcoa’s deal is a bad deal for the people of Stanly County. And North Carolina. But a great deal for Alcoa.

    Please watch this video about it and help stop Alcoa: http://youtu.be/nON31p93aIc

    Thank you –

  14. gregflynn

    January 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    It’s the very definition of a straw man. You have introduced your own opinion as a position of the left, to be defended, yet one which has not been asserted, except in your mind.

    The Constitution allows the people to petition to Government for a redress of grievances. It does not allow the Government to punish the people for exercising that right. Through the State Employees Combined Campaign, payroll deductions can be made for groups as varied as the NC Family Policy Council and the ACLU. The bill was visibly aimed at one group, NCAE, but it has also affected payroll deductions for members of PENC, Professional Educators of North Carolina.

    Few, if any, people in this forum have ever advocated that state employees should pander to the party in charge. It is a path to bad government and corruption, which I have often described as a disease of incumbency.

  15. gregflynn

    January 7, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    HunterC, If Republicans don’t like how the Lottery was passed they are free to repeal it, as far as I’m concerned, but I have yet to see them try.

  16. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    The lottery was passed in the same manner.

  17. Disinterested observer

    January 7, 2012 at 6:59 pm

    1.)The Constitution does not guarantee a right to have the state government collect and distribute funds to organizations.
    2.) The NCAE seemed perfectly willing to pander to the party in charge when that party was the Democrats.

  18. gregflynn

    January 7, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    DO: It becomes a constitutional issue when the state plays favorites with privileges.

    FJ: Most everyone here was opposed to the lottery and how it was passed. In drawing comparisons to it you are barking up the wrong tree. Furthermore, 5 Senate Democrats voted against it. Charlie Albertson, Dan Clodfelter, Janet Cowell, Ellie Kinnaird, Martin Nesbitt.

  19. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 9:00 pm

    Hackney and Perdue were part of the deal.

  20. Frances Jenkins

    January 7, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    How money did Real Facts(arm of the NCAE) spend in 2010 to elect Republicans and how much was spent on Democrats? This is third party like Americans for Prosperity. You know the one you have been so critical .

  21. gregflynn

    January 8, 2012 at 11:45 am

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

  22. Frances Jenkins

    January 8, 2012 at 1:02 pm

    How much did the Super PAC in 2010, Real Facts NC, spend on Democrats running for the NC House and NC Democrats? I know you are opposed to Super PACS and those who have contributed to them. I know you have written horrible things about Art Pope and others. So, are you going to write horrible things about the NCAE?

  23. Disinterested observer

    January 8, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    The Privileges and Immunities clause has been very narrowly defined, so I presume you aren’t basing your argument on that weak foundation. Although, be my guest if you’d like to revisit it…I’m sure Justice Thomas would expand it in ways that would make the outrage over Citizens United look like a slumber party.

    So you base the argument over the Equal Protection clause or due process? It would be a stretch to assume SCOTUS would interfere in the relationship with the relationship between a state and its employees over this issue. In fact, you’re the only commentator I’ve seen suggest the federal courts will have a say in this. More likely, they’ll take it to the state courts, who will decline to interfere in legislative procedural questions.

    In any case, this will all likely die down after a week or so (that is if Thom Tillis manages to quit whining about the press). If you think this will impact 2012 in any way, shape, or form, you’re delusional.

  24. david esmay

    January 9, 2012 at 8:21 am

    If the state courts refuse to hear the arguement, then the NCAE would have no choice but to take it to a federal court. FJ, keep up the crazy.

  25. gregflynn

    January 9, 2012 at 9:30 am

    For a “disinterested observer” you introduce a lot of subjective conjecture.

  26. gregflynn

    January 9, 2012 at 9:31 am

    Real Facts is a 527, not a Super PAC.

  27. NC Politics

    January 9, 2012 at 9:40 am

    I worked at NCAE during the nineties. Bottom line is that we supported legislative candidates who were supportive of public education and the legislature with a GOP House majority passed the Excellent Schools Act pushed by Gov. Hunt, also supported by NCAE.
    Many Republicans in the House were pushing voucher programs that would have simply been tax breaks for parents who “already”had their children in private schools or who were home schooled.
    This debate isn’t about NCAE, it is about the role and place of public education in providing opportunity for our children. So how did removing the opportunity for teachers to pay their professional dues from “their” paycheck further this Constitutional mandate – not at all.

  28. Jack

    January 9, 2012 at 5:10 pm

    This just in – “Judge issues injunction on veto override of NCAE law.”

    I wonder if the judge that issued the injunction is one of those judges, according to right-wingers, that “makes new law” as they go alonge? The next few days should be interesting.

  29. Frances Jenkins

    January 9, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    I have gained IQ points just by being on the same page as Greg and David, not many.

  30. Frances Jenkins

    January 9, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Oh if I were a classroom teacher, I would refer Greg, David and Hunter to the Resource Officer for bulling those that do not have a golden egg education, money and not in the upper class. You know the ones they fight so hard to defend.

  31. Jack

    January 10, 2012 at 9:23 am

    Politics 101

    NCAE supports politicians who support education.
    NCAE doesn’t support politicians who don’t support education and cut funding to education.

    Class dismissed.

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