Tillis ventures out on the fringe again

If you haven’t read it yet, be sure to check out today’s edition of the Fitzsimon File. In it, Chris looks at the good, bad and ugly aspects of some of House Speaker Thom Tillis’ recent tax talk. 

He notes that Tillis is actually right about broadening the base of the sales tax, but, he also notes, Tillis is way out in right-wing fringe land when it comes to the income tax.

This is from a story in the Davidson County Dispatch from last week that helped prompt Chris’s column:

“On tax reform, Tillis said he hopes to see the General Assembly substantially reduce or even eliminate corporate and personal income taxes as a way to promote business growth in the state.”

This is not “reform.” Doing away with the corporate and personal income taxes is a surefire way to both permanently cripple the state’s essential public systems and structures and transfer even more of the responsibility for funding government away from the people who already bear the lowest burden — the top 1%. It would be, in short, an unmitigated disaster for our state that needs to be resisted at all costs.



  1. Frank Burns

    February 28, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    The State of Tennessee seems to do just fine without a state income tax. The State of NC is in competition with the neighboring states for business.

  2. Rob Schofield

    February 28, 2012 at 4:25 pm

    “Fine”?? Yes – the third poorest state in the union with one of the most regressive tax systems sounds like a great role model. After that we can try to copy Mississippi too.

  3. HunterC

    February 28, 2012 at 4:27 pm

    And the state of NC beats the state of TN in business recruitment virtually every time.

  4. gregflynn

    February 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Tennessee has higher state and local sales tax, sin taxes, and a real estate transfer tax more than double NC. Sales taxes account for about 54 percent of all Tennessee state tax revenue.

  5. Frank Burns

    February 28, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    To compete with neighboring states for business, it makes sense to get our total tax number (sales, sin, income, etc) below what our neighbors pay in taxes. One good thing we have in our favor are the low utility rates, but we need to work to keep that low. Spending will need to be reduced as well.

  6. jlp75

    February 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Or it could be helpful to offer an environment conducive to business such as infrastructure, an educated workforce, access to research from a top rate university system. Just because conservatives can only use to crayons doesn’t mean that here in reality, everything is black and white. Taxes are not the only metric a business considers when choosing where to locate. Don’t believe me? Ask Forbes who consistently ranks us among the top business climates.

  7. Jeff S

    February 28, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    Yes Frank, cutting corporate taxes, eliminate all environmental oversight, labor laws, minimum wages, and corporate liability will certainly attract some corporations.

    This, however, would do nothing to benefit the residents of the state. Why your party values the welfare of corporate shareholders over the 10M local residents is beyond explanation.

  8. Frank Burns

    February 29, 2012 at 6:48 am

    No Jeff, my party values the residents of NC who want to keep their tax burden low and see value for expenditures in the state, not waste. Your party has no concern for costs and the burden that places on the middle class.

  9. jlp75

    February 29, 2012 at 7:22 am

    Here is a novel idea. If you hate NC and love Tennessee so much, perhaps a move is in order. That is the good thing about how this country was setup. Each state governs according to the will of its people. If you don’t like the way this state is governed feel free to move to another one. Unfortunately your party is actively seeking to destroy that diversity of governing by passing cookie cutter legislation spoon fed to brain dead conservative legislators by ALEC. Wouldn’t you rather have representation that is capable of independent thought? Wouldn’t you prefer the people that you are paying to lead actually write their own legislation that is relevant to the desires of their constituents? Of course not, because the angry man on the radio told you it was OK. It is funny that the people who scream loudest about state’s rights are working the hardest to erode them.

  10. Frank Burns

    February 29, 2012 at 8:28 am

    JLP, In my opinion independant thought is exactly what is going on with the legislature. With the Democrats in control for som many years in NC, independant thought was lacking and programs grew as a result. Now is the time to right the ship of state.

    What angry man on the radio? The only program I have on my radio is WDAV, classical music. It is so much more pleasant than talk radio, don’t you agree?

    I love this state and I’m not going anywhere, which is why I speak up. I want to see the state and its people prosper not languish in out of control spending like we see up north with their public sector unions.

  11. jlp75

    February 29, 2012 at 8:51 am

    First there are no public sector unions. NC is a right to work state. There are only weak ineffective associations (SEANC, NCAE, etc.) which the right loves to label as unions.

    Second if the current legislature is capable of independent thought, how do you explain the practically identical legislation that is popping up in nearly every state (including NC) that is controlled by a Republican legislature? I can. This legislation is written by corporations and distributed to legislators through an organization known as ALEC. Speaker Tillis is apparently the most lacking in independent thought considering ALEC awarded him legislator (corporate shill) of the year.

    I am happy to hear that you don’t listen to the angry man on the radio. I am proud of you.

  12. Frank Burns

    February 29, 2012 at 9:15 am

    JLP, I know that there are no public sector unions here in NC, that is a good thing right? We need to keep it that way. The Democratic National Convention was not too happy about that.

    I don’t know much about the program ALEC that you are referring to but don’t you think the left has the same kind of legislative guidance given to Democratic Controlled Legislatures? George Soros is creating all kinds of mischief in that regard. I think these programs are ok for guidance but need to be tailored to support our needs.

  13. Jack

    February 29, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    Eliminating the personal income tax would shift paying taxes to daily necessities of life. A person making $2,000 a month paying increased taxes on daily necessities would be difficult but manageable. As long as he or she didn’t have a mortgage to pay and repairs on the home and utilities to pay and a car to maintain and car insurance to pay for and college tuition to pay and food to buy and medical insurance to pay for and clothes to buy and a cell phone bill and internet access to pay for and shoes to wear and haircuts a wheelchair to repair purchase needed medical equipment and the list goes on.

    The idea of such a tax system is a corruption of an idea developed by the famous investor Warren Buffett; the “toll bridge”. If you can pay the extra $$$, a toll, then you can purchase the item and if you can’t pay the additional toll well, you’re just out of luck. In the investment world I guess it works but to transform the toll bridge concept into a tax model doesn’t really work to the benefit of the average person but so far that hasn’t stopped this NCGA.

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