Ohio’s mandatory photo ID law prevents WWII vet from voting

Think Progress has an amazing, but not terribly surprising story about the impact of the mandatory photo ID law that Ohio has adopted (and that North Carolina conservatives are trying to foist on us).

“Paul Carroll, an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades, was denied a chance to votein the state’s primary contests today after a poll worker denied his form of identification, a recently-acquired photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The poll worker rejected the ID because it did not contain an address, as required by Ohio law.

Carroll told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that he got the ID from the VA after his driver’s license expired because he doesn’t drive anymore…”

You can read the entire story by clicking here.



  1. Jack

    March 7, 2012 at 10:33 am

    Mr. Carroll’s words speak volumes. “I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”

  2. Frank Burns

    March 8, 2012 at 6:49 am

    And now for the rest of the story…….

    The Democrat poll worker was wrong and should have allowed the veteran to vote based on the Ohio law by provisional ballot.


    Here are the options for proving who you are in Ohio.

    •Government photo ID (Ohio Driver’s license or State ID – showing either your current address or your former address, as long as the ID has not expired),
    •or one of the following that shows your current address:

    ?military ID
    ?copy of a current utility bill
    ?bank statement
    ?government check
    ?government document showing your name and current address (Note: You cannot use the notice you received from the Board of Elections.)

  3. gregflynn

    March 8, 2012 at 10:20 am

    Frank, you really need to read before you hit “Enter”:

    Carroll said he was offered a provisional ballot, but that “the print looked very small, I didn’t have my glasses and I was kind of perturbed by then.”

    – – – – – – – – – – – –

    His driver’s license had expired in January and his new Veterans Affairs ID did not include his home address.

    “My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.

    “I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”

  4. Frank Burns

    March 8, 2012 at 10:32 am

    You are correct, the article did say that, but why does the article state the veteran was turned away and prevented from voting? He in fact was not turned away but was offered a provisional ballot.

    The system worked.

  5. Jack

    March 8, 2012 at 11:13 am

    The fundamental issue is that the voting barriers that have been put in place are having an effect. Americans believe they have the right to vote and although they may not literally be “turned away” at the polls voting barriers that are now in place will frustrate voters. The chilling effect the voting barriers now create will, over time, have the effect the Right wants.

    People who do not depend on others to assist them in their daily routine will have greater access to services needed to conform to barrier-laws to voting will not give Mr. Carroll’s experience a second thought.

    Frank you are correct. The system works as far as demeaning, frustrating, and discriminating against voters deemed as unworthy by the Right.

    Once again the Right has demonstrated that it wants to return to the days of open discrimination.

  6. gregflynn

    March 8, 2012 at 11:30 am

    He could not read the provisional ballot paperwork. Furthermore, even if he had been able to read the paperwork, he had no confidence that the ballot would be counted. He still had a burden of proof.

    Carroll said he was offered a provisional ballot, but that “the print looked very small, I didn’t have my glasses and I was kind of perturbed by then.”
    – – – – – –
    Lyon said sometimes voters, especially elderly, don’t trust the provisional ballot “because they think it’s not going to count,”
    – – – – – –
    “Each provisional ballot requires a lengthy series of forms to be completed by the poll worker and the voter.
    – – – – – –
    These ballots may or may not be counted, depending on whether the voter’s registration can be verified as matching any information provided on Election Day.”

    In 2008 20% of Ohio’s 200,000 provisional ballots were not counted.
    In 2010 11% of Ohio’s 100,000 provioional ballots were not counted.

  7. Frank Burns

    March 8, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Jack, Former Jimmy Carter is not part of the right (we don’t claim him). He was the chairman of the election report which serves as the basis for photo IDs and solutions to every sob story you can throw out there with regards to voter access.

  8. gregflynn

    March 8, 2012 at 1:00 pm

    It’s very telling that when a veteran can’t get his vote counted you call it a sob story. NC Republicans have NOT proposed the range of precautions recommended by Jimmy Carter to prevent voter disenfranchisement.

    Pamlico County is one of several in NC with a DMV office only open one day per month. The county was hit hard by Hurricane Irene, leaving 400 families homeless, many of whom are still trying to get into permanent homes. You may dismiss them as sob stories but they are real people who face real obstacles in getting their votes counted.

  9. Frank Burns

    March 8, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    Greg, How do you know what the NC Republicans intent is with regards to the photo id bill? Is it a Democrat thing to make huge bills thicker than the NYC phone book? Should the bill tell the poll workers what to have for lunch too? Give me a break Greg! I’m confident that the legislature would address each and every issue that any nervous Nelly can come up with.

  10. gregflynn

    March 8, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    Read the bill.

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