More unwanted national attention for North Carolina on sea level rise

Sea-level rise 2North Carolina’s embarrassing head-in-the-(underwater)-sand approach to sea level rise received renewed attention this morning in the national media. New York Times columnist Gail Collins included the following passage in her story about the conservative movment’s aggressive abandonment of climate science:

“But a carbon tax/fee is the key to controlling climate change. That or just letting the next generation worry about whether the Jersey Shore is going to wind up lapping Trenton. Currently, majority sentiment in Congress is to hope for the best and pass the baton to the grandchildren. (When it comes to rising-sea-level denial, the champion may be North Carolina, where the Legislature has voted to base state coastal management policy on historic trends rather than anything the current experts have to say. “This means that even though North Carolina scientists predict 39 inches of sea-level rise within the century, North Carolina, by its own law, is only allowed to prepare for 8. King Canute would be so proud,” said Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island in a recent speech.)” (Emphasis  supplied.)

Meanwhile, in case you missed it, Laura Leslie has a related story over at WRAL.com about the rather embarrassing slap that N.C. House Republican leaders dished out to two of the chief architects of the state’s sea level somnambulism — the always amusing Rep. George Cleveland and his “science” advisor,  John Droz.

Droz, of course, is the self-appointed expert who was actually invited to the General Assembly earlier this year to deliver a bizarre “lecture” on the subject of global warming. Interestingly, despite his prominent outspokenness, Droz posted a request on a blog site in 2011 in which sought help from “oceanographers and/or others who have experience with sea level measurements”  who might help him make his case against sea level rise.

“This is not my area of expertise,” Droz wrote.

If only he’d told the General Assembly before they made our state a national laughingstock.



  1. Doug

    March 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Sounds like a good plan on the part of NC. No reason to spend so much time and money on a theory (unproven science…otherwise it would be called a “law”) of global warming. Also, to go one way and then have the earth return to the overall bias for cooling and ice ages would really put a crimp in the scheme.

  2. david esmay

    March 28, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    Frank has changed his name to Doug.

  3. david esmay

    March 28, 2013 at 1:31 pm

    But the b.s. is unchanged.

  4. Bill W

    March 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Perhaps the legislature will add an amendment to the state constitution directing the sea to only rise 8 inches instead of 39 inches in this century. Seems to be the plan for everything else.

  5. K Greene

    March 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm

    Doug should start with the definition of Scientific Theory, not with the meaning of the word “theory” in general conversational use. It should not be confused with an idea or even a hypothesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

  6. Mary

    March 28, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    People who don’t know the difference between a scientific theory, an hypothesis, and a law, ought not be commenting on such topics as this. Sadly, Doug’s use of theory has made it into the Oxford AMERICAN dictionary as an add on. Sad day indeed when irrational political ideas get mixed up with rational scientific nomenclature.

    A law, btw, means an issue needs to be observed more than once. Since all we have is a great arsenal of scientific fact gathering, but have not lived through this greenhouse process before, this matter cannot be laid down as law. It is a law that apples fall down, not up, and it is a law that winter follows fall, but sea rise of the magnitude now taking place is not a law. That seas do rise, is one.
    But, simple thought for simple………..

    Doug might want to pay my share of the taxpayers cost of rebuilding the beaches on the NC shore that are being washed away by rising seas. I certainly see no need to pay for what they call ‘re-nourishing’ of the beaches so the wealthy can continue to live in an area that has, according to doug and the neo-plantation state lawmakers, little to no beach erosion.

    Doug needs to read more. James Lovelock’s ‘the revenge of Gaia’ would be a good place to start.

    It is worth noting that as the Greenland ice sheet melts, its water will raise the sea level faster than was previously estimated. I do have some mountain property to sell, but it will be worth more the longer I wait……. oh, joy…….

  7. Doug

    March 28, 2013 at 4:25 pm

    I know what a theory is….it has not been fully proven. There has been a great deal of evidence showing how the earth has shown no warming trend for ~15 years. This has coincided with the change of focus to this “climate change” mantra. That way the enviros can keep beating their drum even though the science has not panned out. Climate change….duh…..it changes constantly, so there is no reason for all this alarmism. If we had believed all the “reputable” “scientists” then my house in the Raleigh area would be nearly beachfront property by now…..hey it was underwater millions of years ago so bring it on.

  8. gregflynn

    March 28, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    1998 was a temperature anomaly “warmed by the strongest El Niño of the past century”. When you account for the Southern Oscillation (El Nino-La Nina cycle) the underlying global warming trend continues unabated.

  9. Doug

    March 29, 2013 at 8:55 am

    actually, there has been no appreciable warming in the last fifteen years. That is documented in many places and made headlines in many unbiased publications over the past year or so. You can keep your attempts at hysteria going, but the general public knows better….especailly when the effects are not happening.

  10. Alex

    March 29, 2013 at 9:06 am

    Al Gore started all of this nonsense, and then shrewdly turned the non-crisis into hundreds of millions of dollars for himself. He must be laughing all the way to the bank at the gullible folks who believe this country can control world emissions by taxing us to death..

  11. gregflynn

    March 29, 2013 at 9:24 am

    Every tread on a stairs is level.

  12. Doug

    March 29, 2013 at 1:49 pm

    Between his globalwarmingclimatechangesavethewhales environmental scheme, and selling his media company to the terrorists Algore is laughing all the way to the bank on the backs of the ignorance of liberalism. Now that is a proven scientific law- The Ignorance of Liberalism.

  13. Doug

    March 30, 2013 at 8:09 am

    Check these out in the news recently…..this sham of a theory is slipping away like the sand on our coast


    This article focuses on what the real threat is. I sure don’t want another ice age, it already is too cold here and a glacier in our back yard would certainly impede those outdoor activities:


  14. gregflynn

    March 30, 2013 at 11:03 am

  15. Doug

    April 1, 2013 at 10:34 am

    Here you go, we are already seeing the effects of the global cooling:


  16. Doug

    April 1, 2013 at 10:41 am

    Hopefully your climate change theory can assume colder temps:


    Once we start getting ever larger ice sheets we are in big trouble. Imagine the toll when glaciers start encroaching on our population centers! All this frozen ice from the sea leve rise will make growing seasons shorter, and make more demand for fossil fuels in hopes that people can stay warm. We are already seeing the effects, this March had the same temps as January!

  17. Doug

    April 1, 2013 at 10:45 am

    And just so you get an additional view. This site reviews a lot on the theory that the huge star you see up in the sky is the cause of temprature fluctuations here on Earth…imagine that. Sunspot/output from the sun seems to correlate to most of the changes in Earth’s climate over time.


    When you think about it, it is pretty pompous for man to think we can overcome something as powerful as the sun.

  18. Alex

    April 1, 2013 at 11:37 am

    I’ve always wondered why progressives think they can control the world’s weather when they can’t even balance the nation’s budget

  19. gregflynn

    April 1, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    I’ll take my chances with real scientists:

  20. Alex

    April 2, 2013 at 8:11 am

    I’m assuming you’re only talking about the scientists who support the government’s position. There are many who do not.

  21. Doug

    April 2, 2013 at 11:20 am

    Touche` Alex. They only like to rely on the people who are on the dole of the entity attempting to benefit from this sham. I guess greggy did not notice that the site I included links to various scientists posts from all over the world….but then again I doubt he even went to the site since it did not support his world view.

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