Hope for same-sex couples in NC?

WRAL reports that a same-sex couple Maj. Daniel Toven and Johnathan Taylor exchanged vows Saturday in a ceremony at Fort Bragg. While it wasn’t a wedding (prohibited by Amendment One), hope may yet to come soon, if the trend from New Mexico and Utah continues to the Tar Heel state.

Only a few days ago, New Mexico became the 17th state to recognize same-sex marriages.

Utah soon followed suit, with a federal judge ruling against a state constitutional ban on same-sex marriages. Thinkprogress has a breakdown of how the judge systematically tore down many of the arguments against marriage equality.

The events in Utah prompted one couple to get married an hour after the law was struck down. And dozens of couples soon did likewise.

Here in North Carolina, as NC Policy Watch has covered in a previous Crucial Conversation event, the ACLU has filed a lawsuit on behalf of six couples seeking marriage equality and second-parent adoption rights, challenging the state’s constitutional ban.


  1. LayintheSmakDown

    December 26, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Not sure why they need “hope” all they need is a lawyer. Go down to his/her office get the following things done and you are as good as married:
    1. Will that includes both partners
    2. Various power of attorney documents, financial, medical etc.
    3. Add both names to the mortgage.
    4. You could even add some kind of contract like a pre-nup that splits belongings.

    You pretty much cover all the marriage issues right there except divorce, and not being married and having contracts makes that much easier because they cannot have children which is one of the main points of an actual marriage.

  2. Alan

    December 26, 2013 at 3:26 pm


    You seem to have omitted spousal benefits, such as hospital visitation as next of kin/spouse, death benefits etc. etc.

  3. RJ

    December 26, 2013 at 4:41 pm

    So, LSD, it’s easier for a same-sex couple to dissolve their relationship “because they cannot have children”? Does attraction to the same sex render one sterile? Where do come up with this mess?

    A lot of folks here in the real world are gonna be surprised when you lay this science on them.

  4. LayintheSmakDown

    December 26, 2013 at 8:57 pm

    That is typically taken care of in a healthcare power of attorney, death benefits…will, other death benefits ….just set them up as beneficiary.

    Since when have say….two men been able to procreate, carry a child and deliver said child within their (for lack of better phrase) “family unit”? Or are you condoning sleeping around and procreating outside the “family unit”. When nature gives two humans of the same sex the ability to procreate together and have a child within that relationship then come back to me and there may be an actual argument from your side. Until then….you are the one coming up with “mess”.

    And it would be easier as there is nothing to actually legally bind them after you have dissolved all their contracts. No hearings over custody….although that would be interesting…which of two dudes would be considered the mother and which of the two dudes would get the shaft that the father usually gets in those situations?

  5. RJ

    December 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    LSD, you wrote: “When nature gives two humans of the same sex the ability to procreate together and have a child within that relationship then come back to me and there may be an actual argument from your side.”

    What about when nature gives two humans of the opposite sex the INability to procreate together? The couple with fertility problems can’t get married in your world, am I right? What about two 70-year-olds getting married. Same thing, so Aunt Edna can’t get married?

    Your views here are an almost-perfect display of today’s Republican Party: spout off about personal liberty being threatened by Obamacare, but then tell other people how to live their personal lives according to your religious beliefs, all in the name of tax cuts. Amen.

  6. Alan

    December 28, 2013 at 6:19 pm

    Yet more nonsense from the myopic right… I guess the Republican enemy du-jeur must now be gay people, to add to all the other groups they hate. How very “christian” of them.

  7. LayintheSmakDown

    December 31, 2013 at 6:51 pm

    That is just ridiculous. If you do not understand how the natural world actually works you are beyond help. When a sperm can fertilize a sperm and produce a child or an egg can fertilize an egg and produce a child then come back to me. I am not saying that two of the same sex cannot be companions, but the purpose of “marriage” in human history has been to procreate within that unit and have children. If you want to pick some isolated cases where it may not be possible that is fine if it suits you, but 96% of marriages do not suffer the infertility problem. When less than 100% of same sex couples suffer that problem then you have a point.

    And Alan/ML, homosexuals are not my enemy. One of my favorite family members was a homosexual before he succumbed to AIDS. I have hired and worked with openly gay people many years and been great friends with them. That does not mean that I have to approve of the lifestyle choice and accept that this is an actual issue that is truly relevant to this state and nation.

  8. Alan

    December 31, 2013 at 7:46 pm


    You’re ridiculous. Happy 2014! And to think I may get the last word on this post, Pappa Smurf may take away this weeks gold star…

  9. LayintheSmakDown

    January 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    My gold star is permanent!

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