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Will pro-gun activists spoil the 2014 State Fair?

State Fair cartoonIt’s beginning to look that way.

WRAL.com reports that:

“A gun rights group on Thursday asked for a temporary restraining order to keep the state agriculture department from banning lawfully concealed weapons at the North Carolina State Fair, which starts next week.”

Doesn’t that make you want to be riding on “The Vortex” or some other wild roller coaster next week knowing that the fool in the next car over is packing a hidden, loaded handgun?

I mean, what could go wrong?

31 Comments


  1. Cheryl

    October 9, 2014 at 2:09 pm

    Let me start by saying that I am not pro gun or against guns. I do however believe that the State Fair is not the place for guns other than those carried by the police. With so many families, children and crowds of people this a recipe for a disater far more dangerous than the Vortex accident. Can’t we have anywhere in our wonderful state where guns arn’t allowed. If those who want to carry guns are that afraid then maybe they shouldn’t come.

  2. RW Nelissen

    October 9, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Cheryl:

    The guy carrying the concealed weapon may be the one that stops any rampage from a idiot that decides to shoot the place up, since he/she would know that there would be no guns shooting back at them. These mentally ill folks look for “no gun zones”
    The police can’t be everywhere. It usually takes a good guy with a gun to neutralize the bad guy with a gun.

  3. Rob Schofield

    October 9, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Sigh…

  4. Sean D Sorrentino

    October 9, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    How terrible. You’re so afraid of the nearly 400,000 North Carolinians who have Concealed Handgun Permits that you actually think that the State Fair would be “spoiled” if you couldn’t ban them.

    Get help for your irrational fears of your neighbors.

  5. Alan

    October 9, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    The “good guy” with a gun mantra is complete nonsense. If there were an ounce of truth to this, which there isn’t, then every nutcase who decides to go postal would be taken out by the law-abiding, gun carrying hero. Just a pity that this barely, if ever, happens.

    There is no “irrational fear”, I just don’t want my family & kids to be caught in the crossfire of a bunch of nuts who decide to play Rambo. What is indeed irrational, is the pro-gun lobby’s mentality that more guns mean a safer society. Nothing could possibly be further from the truth. I often wonder about the mental state of mind of those who feel the need or desire to have a firearm with them wherever they go. It appears to me there’s a great deal of over-compensating going on.
    I for one certainly wouldn’t feel safer at the State Fair, or anywhere else for that matter, when who knows how many folks are packing in what’s intended to be a family day out.

  6. Pertains!

    October 9, 2014 at 6:06 pm

    Why do the “gotta” have my gun by my side people think their right to carry/conceal a weapon is more valid than my right to not want to be surrounded by pistol toting Rambos?

  7. RW Nelissen

    October 9, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Alan:

    You say it never ever happens that the good guy takes out the bad guy, it’s because so many states have made it almost impossible to get a concealed carry weapons permit.(CCW)
    Also these stories aren’t sensational enough for the press and barely published.
    However that is now changing due to a recent decision by the 9th circuit appeals court in D.C. and California. They must now have “shall issue” laws. Yes, the states are appealing the decision but more and more states allowing CCW’s.
    If you as a criminal knows that your victim can shoot back, you will think twice to go on a rampage.

  8. ML

    October 9, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-cop-killers-husband-wife-team/story?id=24052877

    Mr. Wilcox was a good guy with a gun. He was shot and killed. This isn’t the Wild West, there is no Clint Eastwood or john Wayne strolling through the the doors. Grow up kids, the more guns there are, the more bullets there are.

  9. Robert

    October 10, 2014 at 11:14 am

    ML:

    I can give you at least 10 news stories where the good guy prevents a crime of loss of life for every one of your examples of incidents where a good guy with a gun loses his life helping out.
    Let me know if your are interested in seeing them and I will send them to you by email.

  10. Alan

    October 10, 2014 at 12:59 pm

    Robert,

    Why not simply post here on this forum for all to see?

  11. ML

    October 10, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    Please share…

  12. ML

    October 10, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    I’d share all the accidental gun deaths with “responsible” gun owners but that list is far too long.

  13. Scott

    October 10, 2014 at 1:42 pm

    October 10 – Off duty Altanta officer kills carjacker
    October 6 – Good Samaritan returns fire and wounds robber, leads to capture of three more
    October 6 – Texas man shoots two home invaders
    October 5 – Hero kills 2 of 4 armed robbers
    October 3 – Son kills one of three home invaders, saving 8 lives
    October 1 – Missouri Sheriff praises store owner that shoot armed robbers
    September 29 – Pittsburgh man blitzs estranged wife’s home is intercepted by gun-owning boyfriend
    September 26 – Woman shoots elusive stalker who tormented her for six months
    September 26 – Senior citizen pulls a “Gran Torino” on two hapless home invaders

    Should I go on?

  14. Robert

    October 10, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    To my doubters Alan and ML.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+armed+citizen

    Here is a website that will not only gives you stories but videos as well. These have hundreds of documented news stories regarding armed citizens.
    I can also provide information on accidental deaths by cars to ML if he likes.
    Perhaps he should want us to stop driving cars too.
    Get a life and open your eyes!!

  15. Scott

    October 10, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Don’t forget the Manager in Oklahoma that stopped numerous beheadings. One person lost their life before he could stop him but what if he didn’t have a concealed weapon? How many more would have been beheaded?
    Then the Doctor in PA that stopped a mentally ill man. One person died but how many more would have been injured or killed.
    It happens daily but the news very rarely covers those stories. It’s a shame that saving lives is not news worthy.

  16. ML

    October 10, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    The necessity to drive a car is far greater than the necessity to carry a gun (I can’t believe I have to even explain that). But way to resort to the straw man. Anywho my eyes are wide open to watch out for you gun nuts thank you very much.

  17. RW Nelissen

    October 10, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Hey ML:

    Maybe you should ask one of the 400,000 CCW permit holders in N. Carolina to escort you to the fair. I am sure they will make you feel more safe from your paranoia about guns.

    After all Mr. Obama and Mr. Bloomberg both have a bevy of bodyguards, yet they want to take away my right to protect myself from the criminal element.

    Better yet take a self defense class familiarizing yourself with firearms!!

    My sincerest hope is that you or your family will never experience a situation where you wish you had a gun to defend yourself. Better to have one and not need it then to not have it when needed.

    Remember the police is only 5 minutes away, you could be dead by then.

  18. ML

    October 10, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    The paranoid person is the one that feels compelled to carry a gun everywhere they go. I just don’t plan on living in fear my entire life, I’m not scared of people carrying guns, just like I’m not afraid of driving. Bad things happen but the more you drive and the more you surround yourself with bullets and guns the more likely it is that someone will get hurt.

  19. Alan

    October 10, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    Get a life indeed…something that’s significantly more at risk here in the USA than anywhere else in the civilized world thanks to the gun nuts. Interesting side-by-side comparison of gun deaths for the US, Germany, France, Canada and the UK. You may plug in whatever countries you like and it’ll provide a comparison.

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/total_number_of_gun_deaths/31,66,69,192

    For every story of the gun carrying “hero”, I bet I could provide 100 examples of needless deaths caused by firearms. The facts, quite simply, aren’t on your side. But please don’t let that get in the way of your blind faith in everything the NRA spews.

    PS. I also find it interesting that anytime an article on gun control appears here on this forum, multiple folks “magically” appear to defend everything gun related. It’s like you’re trying too hard to make it appear like the advocates for gun control are wildly outnumbered by the gun nuts, which clearly isn’t the case.

  20. Alan

    October 10, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Here’s another comparison from the same source, this time handgun homicides.

    http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/194/number_of_handgun_homicides/66,69,192

    Bet you’re glad you live in the safest country on the planet, eh? USA! USA! USA!

  21. Alan

    October 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    PPS. I will not be attending the state fair, I’ve always viewed it a bit of a white-trash magnet (a bit like a Nascar event, sorry Nascar fans…), which is only likely to attract the gun nuts anyway.

  22. INFO

    October 11, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Sure Alan….

    Go ahead and start the name calling and labeling all NASCAR fans as
    “White-trash”, typical tactic of a person who can’t justify his argument by changing the topic at hand. By that comment it shows everyone else how narrow minded you are.

  23. Alan

    October 11, 2014 at 2:40 pm

    Yes, narrow minded indeed. OK, so you took offense to my comment about Nascar…

    Perhaps you would rather comment on the topic at hand, as you suggest? Maybe a rebuttal to the University of Sydneys’ data?

    PS. I can easily justify my argument, the facts are the facts, plain & simple.

    PPS. Not ALL Nascar fans are white trash.

  24. info

    October 11, 2014 at 4:52 pm

    Read this article sir,It covers not only Australia but also other countries in the world.

    http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

    Crime has gone up since citizens were limited to their availability of firearms.

    You remind me of our VP Mr. Biden who lately has been putting his foot in his mouth and then gives a lame apology. He also refers to discharging a shotgun into the air to scare off the bad guys. As a VP he should know that is breaking the law.
    I choose to keep my guns ready but you may remain as a possible victim.

  25. Alan

    October 12, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Sorry, but the CPRC can hardly be described as a reliable source of impartial data, clearly evidenced by its totally comical one-sided perspective on the matter. It’s a pro-gun, US based organization whose agenda is pretty transparent, but chooses to portray itself as an “academic” organization that must of course be taken seriously? If this is seriously the best “data” that can be brought forward by the pro-gun lobby, then you have a long way to go to convince anybody. Seriously, have you read through any of the stuff on their website?

    This “data” may play well with the gun lobby who already have a preconceived notion of “facts”. However, anyone capable of independent thought can clearly see the agenda at work. Interesting that they operate as a 501 C-3 private foundation. I wonder who funds them exactly?

    Also interesting that they seem to have a focus on Australia, perhaps anything to do with Australia enacting strict gun control measures, and the fact that GunPolicy.org happens to be based in Australia?

    I have to give you an A for effort, but an F for content on this one.

  26. Alan

    October 12, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    After digging around a little to see who’s who at the CPRC, it appears one Dr. John Lott is the founder, a noted pro-gun lobbyist and Fox News columnist. Real impartial, eh? Also appears that much of his “research” was (allegedly) fraudulent, and here’s a surprise…. funded by the NRA. It also looks like he suffers from a split personality, sometimes being known as “Mary Rosh”, a sock-puppet online personality he admitted to fabricating.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott
    http://www.foxnews.com/archive/john-lott/index.html
    http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

    Now, why is it the pro-gun lobby have so little credibility?

  27. INFO

    October 12, 2014 at 8:39 pm

    Ghee, I wonder how all you gun confiscate fanatics will react if somehow ISIL or some other terrorist organization springs up on American or any of our western allies soil.
    Will you still have the same view about not wanting a firearm for self protection?
    Oh you see that can’t happen right…just like Ebola won’t reach the US either such as a nurse in TX being infected this last week.
    This will be my posting as I will not debate a person with a closed mind.
    I will keep my firearms sir and you may remain a sheep.

  28. Alan

    October 12, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    Bah, bah, bah…

  29. Robert

    October 13, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    You mean blehh!!!, you ARE a sheep about to be led to slaughter, what a lame retort.

  30. Dianebkht

    October 13, 2014 at 1:22 pm

    For those wanting to walk in the state fair with weapon on you…. Please do not ride on rides with loaded weapon or weapons. As many of us have seen, accidents do happen! I do depend on God to protect my family and others who surround us. Prayer…It truly works better then the weapon. As for the hype of our President taking your weapons, my advice to you is to do a fact check. Your weapon is your weapon, but the safety of the people is what is at hand. Stop the insanity and let’s take our children to a safe environment for a good time, after all that is what it is all about. Leave it to our law enforcement to handle.

  31. Alan

    October 13, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Lame retort indeed, appears Mary Rosh isn’t the only sock-puppet around here!

    ISIL and Ebola, sound like too much Faux News to me.

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